[orionblamblam]

In the interests of sowing discord, I will point out that whenever a fossil is shown to be a forgery, it is taken as evidence by Creationists that evolution is itself a fraud. Consequently, it is equally valid to declare the Bible a fraud based on some fraudulent artifacts.

Discuss...

[RebelTex]

"In the interests of sowing discord, I will point out that whenever a fossil is shown to be a forgery, it is taken as evidence by Creationists that evolution is itself a fraud. Consequently, it is equally valid to declare the Bible a fraud based on some fraudulent artifacts."

hmmm, so you like to stir things up a bit:  "In the interests of sowing discord,..."   - OK

Point 1:

"...whenever a fossil is shown to be a forgery, it is taken as evidence by Creationists that evolution is itself a fraud."

FALSE - generalization, applying the attribute or attitude of a few members of a group (Creationists) to the entire group.

FALSE - invalid or fake data (forgery) can not be used to negate an hypothesis or theory (evolution).

Point 2:

"Consequently, it is equally valid to declare the Bible a fraud based on some fraudulent artifacts."

FALSE - conclusion (Consequently, it is equally valid) based on false assumption and generalizations.

You appear to desire a discussion (evolution vs. Creation) in which only one side can be correct.

However, IMHO, both theories or beliefs are correct.  Scientific evidence of evolution is abundant and basically sound, but not without it's unexplained oddities.  The science takes into account the laws of physics, mathematics, probability, chemistry, genetics and other such factors which are not attributed to the theory or belief of Intelligent Design (Creation).

The question arises: How did the natural laws of the universe come into being without Intelligent Design (Creation)?  Order can not come from chaos - only more chaos.  Given infinite time and infinite variables, the probability of chaos organizing itself into order is still infinitely so remote as to not even exist.

The laws of the universe are so intricately and delicately woven together, that Intelligent Design is the only possible answer.  There is much more to this universe than you and I will ever know.  Mankind's quest and ultimate adventure is to pursue that knowledge and thus, draw closer to God, the Creator of the Universe.

The theory of evolution may someday become the laws of evolution, but my question to you is "who, if not God,  designed and created" all of these laws?

[RebelTex]

oops -please ignore my previous tag line - it was left over from a previous thread. A poster had taken offense that some FReepers were posting humorous comments and puns, so he FReepmailed a lot of us to chastise us about inane comments.

[MissAmericanPie]

I don't think there can be a quick answer to your question unless you are willing to invest in some study regarding the accuracy of end time prophecies and how they relate to what is happening on the earth at this time, both politically and environmentally.

[connectthedots]

In the interests of sowing discord, I will point out that whenever a fossil is shown to be a forgery, it is taken as evidence by Creationists that evolution is itself a fraud. Consequently, it is equally valid to declare the Bible a fraud based on some fraudulent artifacts.

Did you flunk logic 101 or did you even take it? The problem with evolution is that there is no fossil record to support it. That someone is producing fraudulent artifacts is evidence of their fraud; and nothing more.