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I've never read either author, but somehow I don't remember ever thinking of Judy Blume as a purveyor of tweener-targeted erotica. Oh well.

The NEH seems to have made a good pick in L'Engle, but the NEH and the NEA shouldn't exist. Art is not a legitimate government function.

1 posted on 12/29/2004 12:36:31 PM PST by Mr. Silverback
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She wrote many other books that had no sexual connotations whatsoever. The first book I ever remembering picking out on my own and reading completely on my own in first grade was Freckle Juice which was one of hers.


2 posted on 12/29/2004 12:39:15 PM PST by ShadowDancer
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I remember reading some of Judy Blume's books. "Blubber" is the one I remember the most clearly. I fail to see what the sexual stuff was in her books. I guess I would have to read them again to be certain.


3 posted on 12/29/2004 12:39:17 PM PST by exnavychick (Just my two cents, as usual.)
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A Wrinkle In Time was one of my all-time childhood faves!
4 posted on 12/29/2004 12:40:31 PM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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According to my wife, Blume's Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret. is a classic "coming of age" book for girls which teaches about menarche in a gentle and understanding way. I have never read that or any other of her books, but I do remember a couple of L'Engle's from a very long time ago.
6 posted on 12/29/2004 12:44:32 PM PST by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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I adore L'Engle's books to this day. They are well written and incredibly interesting. I re-read Wrinkle in Time and the rest of the books in that particular series every few years.


I read exactly one Judy Blume book, as a teenager, I believe. I don't remember there being anything sexual in it, but it was embarrassing - needlessly so. Bodily functions, yep. For example, I remember a boy urinating into a potted plant because a parent or sibling was taking too much time in the bathroom. Entertaining? Not in my book. Stupid? Yes. Yuck.


7 posted on 12/29/2004 12:44:56 PM PST by RosieCotton (He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative. - GKC)
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I never liked Blume's choppy teen titillators even when I WAS a teen. The above posting describes her books just as I remember them, even then. However, I devoured every L'Engle book I could get my hands on. This is not to say that I was any kind of literary snob at that (or any other) age, but quality is quality, and one doesn't need an English Lit degree in order to see the difference between the two authors.


8 posted on 12/29/2004 12:45:55 PM PST by MissNomer
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10 posted on 12/29/2004 12:46:24 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A mike ruler, an old schooler...drivin' in my car, livin' like a star...)
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"A Wrinkle in Time" was one of my favorite childhood books. I read it over and over.

Having said that, I also read many Judy Blume books and this article is really overstating the "sexual" angle, which was really only in some later books geared toward teenagers, like "Forever". The books I read as a kid included the aforementioned "Freckle Juice", plus "Iggie's House" (about a black family moving into a white neighborhood), "Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing" and its sequels, "Are You There God, It's Me, Margaret" (the all-time classic about a girl growing up), "Blubber" (about an overweight girl), etc..


12 posted on 12/29/2004 12:48:06 PM PST by saquin
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There are those who argue that Blume’s kind of realism is better for kids than L’Engle’s fantasy.

I seem to recall in "4th Grade Nothing", a 2-year-old swallows a full grown turtle. Whole and alive. I have never been able to reconcile that point in the book.

The "peeing in a potted plant" incident actually didn't happen. This event was chronicled in "Superfudge", where Peter's little brother, Fudge, took too long in the bathroom. He got out before Peter relieved himself on the plant. However, the reader got familiarized with the medieval practice of urinating in chamber pots. Fascinating stuff.

"Blubber" troubles me even to this very day. I can't place my finger on it, but reading it reminded me of watching an auto accident.

Judy Blume is Judy Blume. Just a preteen author who has made a name for herself. Call it junk lit if you want (and I won't strongly disagree) but I have read some teen novels that focused on larceny and violence. A book for a 14 year old boy written about his wee wee isn't a big deal.

APf

13 posted on 12/29/2004 1:00:27 PM PST by APFel (Humanity has a poor track record of predicting its own future.)
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I liked both as a kid, but I think L'Engle is the much better author. Some of Blume's books (Fudge, etc) are harmless but some for older kids were a bit risque. I do remember seeking out a copy of Forever at a library that hadn't thought to ban it..and reading it out of my parents' sight.


14 posted on 12/29/2004 1:01:38 PM PST by conservative cat
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I just asked my grown kids who they liked better ... Blume or L'Engle? L'Engle won hands down. My grandkids yelled, "Freckle Juice! Freckle Juice! Freckle Juice!"
The HOPE is, in the end, real literature wins out when it's done and over!!
15 posted on 12/29/2004 1:09:09 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is "a pig with lipstick")
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Should this be an Xer ping? Blume was very popular in our school days, and so was L'Engle to a lesser extent.


16 posted on 12/29/2004 1:30:06 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A mike ruler, an old schooler...drivin' in my car, livin' like a star...)
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It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that Blume received her award, not for literary merit, but for something else—promoting a worldview. By sympathetically portraying adolescent sexual relationships that are free of values (except the avoidance of pregnancy and disease), Blume did as much as anyone else to help bring the sexual revolution to the younger generation.

Precisely.

21 posted on 12/29/2004 1:50:06 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that Blume received her award, not for literary merit, but for something else—promoting a worldview. By sympathetically portraying adolescent sexual relationships that are free of values (except the avoidance of pregnancy and disease), Blume did as much as anyone else to help bring the sexual revolution to the younger generation.

I don't remember all the sex in "Fudge" and "Blubber", but then again I read them near 20 years ago so maybe they have updated versions or something. ;-)

24 posted on 12/29/2004 1:58:38 PM PST by retrokitten
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I'm ashamed to admit that I've never read "A Wrinkle in Time," but I've read almost all of Judy Blume's books. Ms. Blume works display almost schizophrenic qualities. Her books for younger readers such as "The One in the Middle is the Green Kangaroo," "Superfudge," "Otherwise Known as Sheila the Great" (et al) were funny & cute and I'd have no problem letting my daughter read them.

"Are You There God, It's Me Margaret" & "Forever" deal with intense subject matter (puberty, divorce, relgion, teen sex, birth control) but they are tastefully written so that a parent could read them as well and discuss the subject matter with their teens. But her adult works are simply "trashy" (ie something one would expect from Jackie Collins, not a writer of children's books). "Wifey" left a particularly bad taste in my mouth. It concerns a suburbanite housewife & mother who "finds herself" by having affairs (one with a highschool paramour, & the other with her sister's husband!) The heroine displays no remorse & is prevented from breaking up her marriage only because her boyfriend has no intention of leaving his wife.


28 posted on 12/29/2004 2:22:32 PM PST by two134711
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The NEH seems to have made a good pick in L'Engle, but the NEH and the NEA shouldn't exist. Art is not a legitimate government function.

That statement is rather misleading since the NEA isn't a government entity, but rather a private organization.

29 posted on 12/29/2004 2:26:39 PM PST by Melas
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As an adult, Judy Blume's books would be boring and silly. As a child, I loved every one of them. I was also a fan of Beverly Cleary (I had a sister, so I even got to read "Are you there God, it's me, Margaret. I didn't quite get it).

I think the author of this piece must have had a Judy Bloom book dropped on their toe, or something. Their criticism seems not to regard the age group Judy Bloom was writing for.
37 posted on 12/29/2004 2:44:47 PM PST by T.Smith
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When I was a young boy, I used to think that Freckle Juice was the coolest book.

Blume is a talented writer for children (and not just little girls), and she deserves her awards. Somebody is definately overanalyzing Blume's career to fit their own agenda (which happens too much nowadays), and I don't like it one damn bit.


43 posted on 12/29/2004 4:50:57 PM PST by RockAgainsttheLeft04 (Chaos is great. Chaos is what killed the dinosaurs, darling. -- from Heathers (1989))
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SuperFudge and Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing, which were her more popular stuff, had little to do with the 'lessons' of her other books. And considering its subject matter, I think her writing is just as good as L'Engle's. It's just not 'arty' enough to please the author.


44 posted on 12/29/2004 5:01:44 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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A Wrinkle in Time
A Wind In the Door
A Swiftly Tilting Planet

These are still some of my favorite books. I did a book report as a senior in HS on A Swiftly Tilting Planet. Eight of the twelve students in the class didn't know there were any other books in the A Wrinkle in Time series. Two weeks later, I still had classmates thanking me for telling them there were more books in the series.

I also liked Arm of the Starfish and Meet the Austins, but nowhere nearly as much as the fantasy series.
55 posted on 12/30/2004 6:10:04 AM PST by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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