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"Stingy" This, Mr. Egeland
Free Republic ^ | Dec. 29, 2004 | IronJack

Posted on 12/29/2004 5:07:39 AM PST by IronJack

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To: IronJack

61 posted on 12/29/2004 9:15:53 AM PST by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
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To: IronJack; All

Here's a letter my father sent the UN weenie:


Mr Jan Egeland
Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs
United Nation Organization
New York, New York


Dear Mr Egeland,

United Nations Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs!

My, what an impressive title, truly appropriate for an international bureaucrat and Euroweenie.

It seems you believe the United States to be 'stingy' when it comes to disbursing humanitarian relief around the world. Not only that, it seems you believe that I, as an American, am clamoring for an increase in my taxes to accomplish this noble task.

What a mind set! U.S. politicians, in the main, leave much to be desired. So many are vainglorious, self aggrandizing, ignorant and corrupt, but they cannot compare to the politicians and bureaucrats in your own organization.

Tell me, where were you, in your guise as "Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs" during the period of sanctions on Iraq? Oh! Were the tears being shed about the perfidy of the United States, with the complaints of the lack of food and medicine in that benighted country! Why, it turns out that UN officials and their friends were making tens of millions of dollars in illegal deals with Hussein. Were you not aware of what was going on right under your own nose? Where was your concern for 'humanity'?

Concerning the subject of "concern for humanity", what has your organization accomplished in

Darfur, with, in your owns words, over 70,000 dead and 10,000 more dead each month.

Democratic Republic of Congo /Rwanda, with close to 4 million dead and United Nations 'troops' more involved in prostitution and child rape than they are in attempting to establish peace - 'soldiers' who don't want to be 'warriors'.

Mr Egeland, The United States will send more aid when a proper assessment is made of the needs of those affected by the tsunami. In the meantime, if the UN is in dire need of funds for your own "humanitarian assistance", I suggest you contact those colleagues who made those many millions with the "Oil for Food" program. (Granted, however, there won't be much chance of 'skimming' a bit as the middleman's percentage.)

By the way, I was rather surprised at your use of the word 'Christmastime'.
How politically incorrect!
But then I realized, of course, there was 'a method to your madness'.

What sanctimonious prigs you people are!


62 posted on 12/29/2004 9:16:57 AM PST by fastattacksailor (The US without the UN is like not having your mother-in-law with you on your honeymoon)
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To: Tamberlane

Try: <"p"> (without quotes).


63 posted on 12/29/2004 9:18:28 AM PST by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
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To: IronJack

Thanks for the post, IronJack.


64 posted on 12/29/2004 9:22:37 AM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: IronJack
Well written, cogent and thoughtful article worthy of any Editorial Page in ANY newspaper in the US!

Bttt

65 posted on 12/29/2004 9:25:07 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Tamberlane
Or in general, how to get paragraphs into one's post. As mentioned, < p> works for paragraphs; as well, < br> works for simple line breaks, and you can use < blockquote> and < /blockquote> as a simple method to create an indented quote. (< blockquote> can also be nested if you like...)
66 posted on 12/29/2004 9:30:16 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: Tamberlane
Funny, that Egeland would use a metric to count that makes his home Country of Norway the biggest donor. He refuses to look at other facts.

Such figures were what prompted Jan Egeland - the United Nations' emergency relief coordinator and former head of the Norwegian Red Cross - to challenge the giving of rich nations.

. . .

Measured another way, as a percentage of gross national product, the OECD's figures on development aid show that as of April, none of the world's richest countries donated even 1 percent of its gross national product. Norway was highest, at 0.92 percent; the United States was last, at 0.14 percent.

Bush's Reply says is all:

"Well, I felt like the person who made that statement was very misguided and ill-informed," Bush said from his Texas ranch. "We're a very generous, kindhearted nation, and, you know, what you're beginning to see is a typical response from America." Bush noted that the United States provided $2.4 billion "in food, in cash, in humanitarian relief to cover the disasters for last year. ... That's 40 percent of all the relief aid given in the world last year."

67 posted on 12/29/2004 9:32:08 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: Tamberlane
By the way, it is incorrect that his employing organization (the UN) skimmed off billions in Oil-For-Food.

The UN received a 2.2%? commission on all Oil for Food monies, they skimmed this right off the top.

The UN was to use this money to oversee the Oil for Food program, since they didn't do that, they are guilty of malfeasance and theft by fraud.

68 posted on 12/29/2004 9:37:22 AM PST by RJL
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To: Tamberlane
The Congo sex scandal is alarming and the UN apparatus needs to take abuses by Blue Helmets way more seriously. But to discard the UN over that seems a little over the top.

The UN has been around about 50 years. Can you name 5 UN successes? That's only 1 success per decade, it should be easy.

69 posted on 12/29/2004 9:48:38 AM PST by RJL
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To: IronJack

Great post, Jack!


70 posted on 12/29/2004 9:50:57 AM PST by Howlin
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To: IronJack

The French were so stingy that they left the elderly to die while the young celebrated their "vacations" during a heat wave summer before last.


71 posted on 12/29/2004 9:52:53 AM PST by zerosix
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To: Tamberlane
I guess you behaved rather violently toward Egeland in your article, which, to the extent it won general acceptance, would leave his reputation in tatters...

As well it should. This man is supposed to be a diplomat handling a crisis. Instead, he precipitates a greater crisis by insulting the greatest contributor to the crisis' relief. That spells incompetence in my book, and should destroy the reputation of the offender.

... as long as every other person in Sub-Saharan Africa ... gets by on less than $1 a day, I hope you would agree that the situation is pretty grim

Admittedly, but that is hardly the fault of the United States or anyone else. Blaming others for that misfortune simply clouds the real issues, and sabotages real solutions.

... and that mincing one's words shouldn't necessarily be the first priority.

Precisely. Which is why I did not mince words.

On a practical note, I'd be much obliged if anyone could tell me how to get space between an italicized quotation and my own subsequent remarks.

Use the "greater than" and "less than" signs (upper case of the comme and period, respectively) to bracket an HTML command, in this case the letter "p" (for paragraph).

72 posted on 12/29/2004 10:06:06 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Tamberlane
Tamberlane,

According to the UN and Jan Egeland Norway is number 1 in giving at .9% of GDP and that the USA is last in giving at .14% of GDP.

In the real world, which would you really rather have the USA's .14 or Norway's .9%?

Hint: The USA's .14% is a vastly larger number of dollars than is Norway's .9%. Americans give more in every measurement except as a percentage of GDP because of our GDP is so large.

Part of the luxury of having an $10 trillion economy is that we can do many more good things because each thing takes a smaller percentage to do.

73 posted on 12/29/2004 10:06:58 AM PST by RJL
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To: Tamberlane
You are one up on me in sending an email by accident. Haven't done that one yet, but just give me some time. I'm sure I'll manage. :)

I have strong family connections to both the Netherlands and Germany. Ja ich spreche Deutsch en ook Nederlands, and I spent a good portion of my youth there. Even went to school there for a year before my parents came running back to the States.

I am not sure if you live in Norway or the States. If you live in the States then you are aware of all the beautiful libraries that dot the country/university campuses that were and are funded by private donations. The same goes for museums, zoos (Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago is free and privately funded) and hospitals. Charities like the Salvation Army, Americare, Operation AC are all privately funded.

I would like you also to note that India, Japan, Australia and the US have formed a team to help alleviate the S.E. Asian crisis. The EU, which Norway is not part of, has either not volunteered or has not been asked. What is France's excuse for their paltry $136,000? They sure have a darn big mouth.
74 posted on 12/29/2004 10:08:06 AM PST by Chgogal
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To: Tamberlane
Ooops forgot to tell you. Norway is beautiful. I cannot figure out why the cathedral in Trondheim is such a well kept secret. Oh well!
75 posted on 12/29/2004 10:14:53 AM PST by Chgogal
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To: q_an_a
Did the UN send AID to Florida? How about help from our neighbors like Canada - did they add anything but talk to the needs of the poor people here.

Snowbirds bring their dollars down to NW Florida during the off-season. They keep help Walmart and the 2 for 1 dinner specials active.

76 posted on 12/29/2004 10:17:02 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: TheOtherOne
Egeland doesn't realize that most of aid America sends to other countries is through private donations. He's using government statistical data as proof that the US doesn't "give" enough to the rest of the world.

So Egeland can go to hell...

77 posted on 12/29/2004 10:22:21 AM PST by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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To: IronJack

We need to stop being "diplomatic" with these people and just toss them out on their backsides. I'm fed up with them, and I'm even more fed up with the liberal creeps who take their side in this.


78 posted on 12/29/2004 10:27:50 AM PST by McGavin999 (Senate is trying to cover their A$$es with Rumsfeld's hide)
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To: RJL
There are many more UN successes than I can mention here, especially as most of them are on the quiet side. In the nature of the case, a body like the UN will get blamed for the visible misfortunes it 'fails' to prevent, but rarely get credited for the fruits of its ongoing efforts. Here are a few good results that come to mind, though:

Raising awareness of human rights and making the World Declaration of 1948 one of the leading documents of our time;

Contributions to establishing the Law of the Sea and other aspects of the Law of Peoples;

The successful contributions of several agencies including The United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) and the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR);

Preventing civil wars during decolonization, for instance in the Congo, 1960-61;

Ending the Iran-Iraq war in 1988;

Helping to end apartheid in South Africa;

Keeping the peace on Cyprus; in Lebanon; Liberia; Angola; Ethiopia/Erithrea; the Central African Republic; Bosnia and Kosovo after the wars; in and many other locations;

Wiping out smallpox;

Monitoring and promoting free elections in countries like El Salvador, East Timor, Eritrea, Guatemala, and many other;

Preventing massive famine on the Horn of Africa in 2001;

Getting Iran to agree to spot checks of nuclear facilities. Like I said, those are just a few that come to mind.

79 posted on 12/29/2004 10:46:23 AM PST by Tamberlane
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To: RJL
Yeah, but don't you agree that the fraction of GDP is the only sensible way to measure a nation's generosity? There just happen to be many more of you guys, so inevitably you end up doing much more good - collectively, that is. But aren't freepers individualists anyway? ;-)

I do agree with the posters who note that private donations must also be counted in, it's just that many of the countries big on public aid also give a lot of private donations. Per capita, at least...

80 posted on 12/29/2004 10:55:15 AM PST by Tamberlane
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