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India's Zoroastrians and the Three Kings for Jesus
PBS ^ | December 24, 2004

Posted on 12/23/2004 7:16:17 PM PST by CarrotAndStick

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DEBORAH POTTER, guest anchor: This week marks an observance for a belief system much older than Christianity -- the anniversary of the death of the prophet Zarathustra, also known as Zoroaster. Zoroastrianism began in ancient Iran or Persia and may be little known today, but it left its historical imprint on Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Estimates vary widely, but some claim that as few as 115,000 Zoroastrians remain, a few in Europe, North America and Iran; the vast majority in India, where they are called Parsis. From Bombay, now officially known as Mombai, Fred DeSam Lazaro reports.

FRED DE SAM LAZARO: The Jashan or thanksgiving ceremony is one of few Parsi rituals that can be witnessed by outsiders.

But it's not hard to witness the impact this small community has had in India, especially its commercial capital. Parsis are leaders of business and industry, science and philanthropy, even music. Former New York Philharmonic conductor Zubin Mehta is a Parsi from Bombay.

The growth of Islam in what is now Iran drove a die-hard Zoroastrian community to seek refuge in western India around 900 A.D. They became known as Parsis, or people from Persia.

Oblivious to the chaotic street, they come to pray at the sacred well. Parsis honor the skies, water, earth and plants which, with cattle and humans, are six of the seven creations of Ahura Mazda -- the one God.

Professor KHOJESTE MISTREE (Zoroastrian Scholar): We believe that fire is the seventh creation which Ahura Mazda created, and when Ahura Mazda created fire, life came into the other six creations, and in our prayers we actually address fire as the son of God.

DE SAM LAZARO: Parsi houses of worship are called fire temples. Non-Parsis are not permitted inside, where priests pray and maintain the fires. Also off-limits to all but official pallbearers are the unusual disposal rites for the dead.

Prof. MISTREE: This happens to be a place called Karighat Colony, very close to our "towers of silence," which are in the distance. This wonderful greenery that you see is part of our sacred precinct.

DE SAM LAZARO: Shrouded from view by the trees and strictly off-limits are towers of silence -- 26-foot cylindrical buildings like these on whose roofs the dead are placed, to be devoured by birds.

Prof. MISTREE: We believe that when a person dies, the corpse is deemed to be defiled, and because it is defiled, we cannot burn it because that is desecrating fire; we cannot bury it because that is polluting the earth. We cannot drown the corpse because that is sullying the waters. So, the only method that is available by way of disposal is the exposure method, because death in Zoroastrianism is seen as the temporary triumph of evil, not the work of God.

DE SAM LAZARO: Temporary until the day of resurrection and judgment. Heaven can be attained if one's good thoughts and deeds outnumber the bad. Zoroastrian beliefs come from the teachings of Zarathustra, the Persian prophet who lived at least 1,500 years before the Christian era. It is the religion of the ancient Persian Empire, whose kings -- like Darius, Xerxes and Cyrus -- were known for tolerance and praised in the Old Testament for their warm relations with the Jews.

Prof. MISTREE: Cyrus was a remarkable king; he is reputed to have liberated the Jews from Babylonian captivity. He encouraged them to go back to Palestine to rebuild their Temple, and subsequently Darius the Great and Xerxes -- and this is all recorded in the Old Testament -- gave Persian moneys to actually rebuild the Second Temple in Jerusalem.

DE SAM LAZARO: Persia was the home of the Magi, the biblical Three Kings who greeted the infant Jesus but who, Parsis say, actually came in search of a Zoroastrian Messiah.

Prof. MISTREE: And, it is now believed by most Western scholars that the concept of an afterlife, the concept of heaven and hell, the concept of the coming of the Messiah, the concept of the Last Judgment and the Resurrection, these are mainstream Zoroastrian eschatological tenets.

DE SAM LAZARO: Even though Parsis have prospered in India, their numbers are dwindling. Few couples have more than one child.

Also, many Parsis have dispersed abroad, and they've married outside the community. For Firuza Parikh, a leading Indian endocrinologist, it means her children are no longer considered Parsis.

Dr. FIRUZA PARIKH (Endocrinologist): I was pregnant with my first child, and I am quite a devout Parsi. I go to the fire temple maybe once a month -- once in two months. That was an auspicious day, and I wanted to visit the fire temple, and my mother said, "You can't right now because you're carrying a child who technically is not a Parsi," and that pained me to know that perhaps I would not be able to teach my religion to my children. But that did pass.

DE SAM LAZARO: At the same time, her parents did not object to her marriage to a non-Parsi. With no Sabbath, simple rituals, and the objective of gently promoting harmony in public life, Zoroastrians say they are inherently tolerant and ecumenical. So far, however, Parsi leaders have resisted allowing children of mixed heritage like Parikh's into the fold.

Dr. PARIKH: I think we should be allowed to have this option, because if we really want our community to proliferate, one of the ways is to accept people from other religions into our fold, be more secular in our thinking. We're very broad-minded in another sense, but I think in this particular sense we have a narrow vision, and perhaps that may be the reason why we are dwindling.

Prof. MISTREE: I am dead against that ...

DE SAM LAZARO: Mistree, the Zoroastrian scholar, is convinced the community can survive ethnically intact.

Prof. MISTREE: But, it is very important for us to recognize that the spirituality of the faith is linked to its roots and, therefore, I'm a great believer in the "live and let live" policy. Namely, that if for 3,000 years the paradigm shows us that the Parsis and the Iranis have managed to keep this wonderful religion alive, then I'm of the view that these people should be allowed and, in fact, encouraged to preserve their heritage, to preserve their ethnicity, to preserve their religion, because it is a beautiful religion to preserve.

DE SAM LAZARO: Preserving old customs has its modern day challenges for a community with far more members in geriatric rather than maternity wards. Parsi families are now offered scholarships and subsidized housing if they have more children -- a rare policy in one of the world's most populous nations to preserve one of the world's oldest monotheistic religions.

For RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY, this is Fred De Sam Lazaro in Bombay.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christ; india; jesus; nativity; parsee; zoroastrian
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"Persia was the home of the Magi, the biblical Three Kings who greeted the infant Jesus but who, Parsis say, actually came in search of a Zoroastrian Messiah. "
1 posted on 12/23/2004 7:16:18 PM PST by CarrotAndStick
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To: CarrotAndStick

Very interesting post!


2 posted on 12/23/2004 7:22:22 PM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Thanks for the story. Wish we knew more of our shared history with the ME. Maybe if we succeed in getting rid of the facsists that now rule that part of the world, a new era of exchange and understanding can come about. I pray it's true.

I understand there is an ancient "cult of Mary" existing in Afghanistan and India. Anyone know something about that?

3 posted on 12/23/2004 7:25:55 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: CarrotAndStick
They didn't come with bombs, either. Guess that came a couple of thousand years later. (Sigh.)

Very interesting post.

4 posted on 12/23/2004 7:26:53 PM PST by Machkas
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To: blam

BUMP!


5 posted on 12/23/2004 7:27:01 PM PST by Cool Guy
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To: GVgirl

St. Thomas (the Apostle) supposedly evangelized India, so there is definitely a cult of the Virgin that has existed there since very early on. I don't know about Afghanistan, though.


6 posted on 12/23/2004 7:41:44 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

Actually I know this guy whose father is from Afghanistan and he grew up as a Zorostrian. The entire family converted to Christianity when they came to the USA.


7 posted on 12/23/2004 7:46:55 PM PST by Kurt_D
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To: CarrotAndStick; Cool Guy

Cool post, thanks.


8 posted on 12/23/2004 7:47:55 PM PST by blam
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To: CarrotAndStick

BTTT


9 posted on 12/23/2004 7:49:29 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: CarrotAndStick
DE SAM LAZARO: Persia was the home of the Magi, the biblical Three Kings who
greeted the infant Jesus but who, Parsis say, actually came in search of a
Zoroastrian Messiah.


Maybe, maybe not.
There is also speculation that the Magi were influenced by the Jews in Babylon
(e.g., Daniel) and thus were pre-loaded with the idea of a great figure to be born
in Israel...only awaiting some astrological sign to send them on their trip.
10 posted on 12/23/2004 7:51:33 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

What's quite interesting is that their is no basis in scripture for the notion that there were THREE wise men. There is no mention of just how many there were . . . I guess it was always assumed that there were three simply on the basis of the number of gifts they brought (gold, frankincense, and myrhh).


11 posted on 12/23/2004 7:55:48 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: livius

Thanks. I'll look into it.


12 posted on 12/23/2004 7:59:16 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: Alberta's Child
no basis in scripture for the notion that there were THREE wise men.

Shhh...you don't want freerepublic to get blamed for creating all sorts of confusion
for next years Christmas pageants and nativity scenes!

Cheers, and Merry Christmas
13 posted on 12/23/2004 8:04:05 PM PST by VOA
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To: CarrotAndStick
DE SAM LAZARO: Temporary until the day of resurrection and judgment. Heaven can be attained if one's good thoughts and deeds outnumber the bad.

This is similar to the ancient Egyptians and the feather of Maat (truth). After death your heart is placed on a scale and the feather is placed on the other side of the scale. If your heart weighs more than the feather then your bad deeds outweighed your good.

14 posted on 12/23/2004 8:35:36 PM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: GVgirl
I understand there is an ancient "cult of Mary" existing in Afghanistan and India. Anyone know something about that?

IIRC there is also a group out there that are adherents of John the Baptist.

15 posted on 12/23/2004 8:36:48 PM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: GVgirl
I understand there is an ancient "cult of Mary" existing in Afghanistan and India. Anyone know something about that?

Shoot, meant to ask if you mean Mary Magdalene?

16 posted on 12/23/2004 8:37:42 PM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: GVgirl

I am from India. Although I have not heard much about "cult of Mary" but form whatever I know, Christianity came to India much before it came to Europe. So the early Christianity to have come to India came in its very pristine form and remained preserved that way for centuries. They are not all recognised as Christians by the Roman Church. U might be interested in a southern Indian state called Kerela where Christianity was the first to come anywhere in India. In fact one of the Jewish tribe comming to India came first to kerala. In fact this was also the place where Vasco DaGama first landed anywhere in India.


17 posted on 12/23/2004 8:56:14 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Netizen

I'll bet not many passed THAT test!


18 posted on 12/23/2004 9:07:55 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: Netizen

No. I meant Mary, mother of Jesus. I have only heard snippets of this, but I understand there is a legend that Mary is actually buried in India!


19 posted on 12/23/2004 9:09:52 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: Gengis Khan
one of the Jewish tribe comming to India came first to kerala

I have heard of this. I understand they created a thriving community in complete safety.

20 posted on 12/23/2004 9:11:32 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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