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Airport Security Patdown Modified
CBS Broadcasting Inc ^ | December 10, 2004 | CBS News with AP contribution

Posted on 12/11/2004 2:07:58 PM PST by WmShirerAdmirer

(CBS/AP) The Transportation Security Administration is slightly altering the way airport screeners conduct patdown searches by allowing passengers to put their arms down after their upper bodies are checked.

TSA spokesman Mark Hatfield called it "a small adjustment that we're hoping will lead to a large increase in comfort factor for people in secondary screening." The new procedure takes effect on Monday.

Allowing passengers to put their arms down will help them feel less conspicuous while they're being searched, Hatfield said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; airportsecurity; patdown; tsa
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This "adjustment" may help, it is long overdue. Anyone have a bad patdown experience lately?
1 posted on 12/11/2004 2:07:58 PM PST by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
I have a shoulder injury from the service. Keeping my right arm in that position for more than 30 sec becomes uncomfortable - after a min painful.

I have previously explained this to the TSA agent and requested that we do the lower portion first. Explaining that I will then be able to keep my arms up for the duration of the upper body search. They have been 99% willing to do that.

I was only challenged once as I don't look like I'm frail and when I produced my VA disable vet card, no problems.
2 posted on 12/11/2004 2:13:01 PM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
I've had the "secondary screening" (twice, at least) and I don't even remember having my arms out. What I remember most about the most recent time was that they did the same thing to a Marine, in uniform, with travel orders, in line just ahead of me. These people are nuts.

ML/NJ

3 posted on 12/11/2004 2:16:04 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: taxcontrol

Sorry about your injury, and the pain but thank you for your service to our country.


4 posted on 12/11/2004 2:24:40 PM PST by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

So does this mean they are lubing up the anal probe first now ?

To make folks more comfortable and all. Golly they are such wonderful people ....

Security is easy. Toss the musilms out.


5 posted on 12/11/2004 2:27:25 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now !)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
Ahh, the shoulder is not the real injury, just hurts in THAT position. If they want me to put my hands on my head even straight up - no problem. Heck 99% time I don't even know it is a problem. Now my knees......

Thanks for the kind words - I only ask that when you see someone in uniform, walk up to them and shake their hand and thank them for their service. It means a lot to them.
6 posted on 12/11/2004 2:33:34 PM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Oh Whoop-de-doo
Not having my arms raised at arms' length for 60 seconds will make me "feel" "less conspicuous?" Who stares at people with outreached arms anyway?
This is a fix? LMAO.

Frankly, I "feel" (and am) MORE conspicuous as the TSA professional "feels" me.
You know what's "conspicuous"? The "Fits The Profile Passenger" that sails through.


7 posted on 12/11/2004 2:34:57 PM PST by Fizzie
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To: ml/nj

Haven't been on a plane since August 2001, so don't have any patdown experiences but what bothered me was the complaint in the article about the "so-called breast exam".

Seems from what you wrote it (patdown) wasn't so bad. I went back to the entire article, and the complaint about the upper body patdown was from Patti LaPone. Wish it had not been from a celebrity, since it seems they take offense to anything short of adulation.


8 posted on 12/11/2004 2:40:54 PM PST by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: taxcontrol

Will do!


9 posted on 12/11/2004 2:42:35 PM PST by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
Cigar Dave had a nice rant about this today. And even though I've never smoked a cigar, I agree with him completely.

There's no reason why a white chick in a business suit needs to be felt up like a muslim male.

And I'm really over having my jewels tweaked by some faggot who knows that if I punch his lights out, like I should, I'm the one who goes to jail.

This whole process is intolerable and we ought not put up with it.

Issue "flying licenses" to people who were born here and let everyone else be treated like a cross between a plaything and a criminal.

And as soon as the ACLU starts yapping, shut 'em the hell up once and for all.

'nuff said.

10 posted on 12/11/2004 2:48:04 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: Fizzie

I wouldn't mind putting my arms out to the side or even up in the air, but if someone (man or woman) is going to feel up (not quick pats) my upper chest-breast area with open palms, I think then I would object.

I posted the article because I've been reading about similar (as above cited complaint by women's patdowns by men) in our local (large-metro area airport/Northwest Airlines hub) newspapers. Did not intend to appear as anti-security


11 posted on 12/11/2004 2:51:15 PM PST by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: the invisib1e hand

great thoughts!


12 posted on 12/11/2004 2:53:46 PM PST by WmShirerAdmirer
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Seems from what you wrote it (patdown) wasn't so bad.

I'm a middle-aged guy. What are they going to do to me? The worst thing is being told to sit still while someone opens your bag and starts rummaging through it. The first time someone did this to me was in an earlier version of this nonsense that was performed at the gate just prior to boarding. The inspector-cretin opened a side-bag on my CD-holder which just happened to contain the player and then turned the thing upside-down. I jumped up and caught the player as it was headed for the ground. Or maybe the worst was them confiscating my emergency corkscrew last year. It had been in my shaving kit since 1978. (They didn't care about the point on the corkscrew but rather the foil cutter. I demonstrated the dullness of the foil cutter by drawing it across my hand. They obviously had a metal quota, and the free world was saved.)

But probably the worst is knowing that if I were wearing a turban, they would leave me alone.

ML/NJ

13 posted on 12/11/2004 2:56:06 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
great thoughts!

thanks. they didn't come cheap, either.

14 posted on 12/11/2004 2:57:21 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: ml/nj

Had to smile while I read your reply and thoroughly enjoyed reading of your experience, you have a way with apt thoughts and descriptive words.


15 posted on 12/11/2004 3:04:24 PM PST by WmShirerAdmirer
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Anyone have a bad patdown experience lately?

I had one that ticked me off so much I wrote my congresswoman. Still haven't heard from her. It's a conspiracy, I tell you.

16 posted on 12/11/2004 3:07:50 PM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Glenn

Mind sharing? Do not want to infringe on your privacy, so not sharing would be appropriate and ok.

It sounds like a worst case patdown and maybe a similar patdown should be applied to your congresswoman and see how she likes it.


17 posted on 12/11/2004 3:22:04 PM PST by WmShirerAdmirer
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The pat down was like it always is. It's when they turned out my pockets the trouble began. I carry nitro in an unmarked pill container. Nitro is very soft and dissolves easily in an emergency. They made me open the bottle and tip it into my hand. Well, the act of walking pulverizes nitro after a while. I poured out white powder. The TSA agents went nuts. I was there for a half hour trying to explain what they were looking at and why. Being a deafie, communication is hard in good places. Surrounded by agents and their supervisors, all shouting things, I am sure I appeared uncooperative.


18 posted on 12/11/2004 3:28:12 PM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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You know folks, These people you all are calling "fagots and whinners and jerks" are not out there performing these procedures because they enjoy it, well most of them anyway, it's their job and they are only doing what they are told, and forced to do by upper management. I know I have been there, and the solid majority of these folks are the honest and hard working types we all know and love, of course with a few knuckle heads thrown in for good measure. So I would just ask, if you get a jerk screener, call him/her a jerk and let their supervisor know, but for the other 90%, just know that they hate invading your privacy just as much as you hate it being invaded. And yes, we would MUCH rather being searching the 25-40 yr old middle eastern guy than that 80 yr old grandmother.
19 posted on 12/11/2004 3:45:14 PM PST by Airwinger
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To: Glenn

Glad you shared. Was sorry to read they gave you such a bad time, for I'm sure you don't look like a terrorist hope your congresswoman gets back to you soon.

My Dad carries nitro on him too(or my Mom carries extra for him while on trips), but I don't think they've been on a plane since just before Sept. 11th. Your experience is something they ought to be aware of since I think they're planning on flying soon. Thanks again.


20 posted on 12/11/2004 3:47:26 PM PST by WmShirerAdmirer
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