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Ukrainian Parliamentarian Suggests Jailing Freemasons
Raiders News Update ^ | 12/09/04

Posted on 12/09/2004 4:11:03 PM PST by nickcarraway

Ukrainian MP Taras Chornovil has suggested that the country’s parliament, the Supreme Rada, introduce criminal responsibility for Freemasonry, the MigNews web-site reported on Tuesday.

Taras Chornovil is the son of the late nationalist leader Vyacheslav Chornovil, and his appointment as an adviser to presidential candidate Viktor Yanukovich on West-Ukrainian affairs earlier this year provoked much criticism in nationalist circles. He will head Yanukovich’s campaign headquarters in the repeat of the controversial second round of Ukrainian presidential elections.

He has submitted to the Rada a bill entitled “On amendments to the Criminal Code of Ukraine”, according to which, membership of Freemason organizations, or any other organizations that require rituals and oaths of higher priority than the current law, must be punished by a jail sentence of up to three years.

The bill also reads that the members of Masonic organizations who are Ukrainian civil servants, law enforcers or military servicemen must be jailed for three to seven years.

Ukraine’s president, members of parliament, civil servants of ministerial rank, military servicemen and law enforcers of the rank of major-general or higher, if discovered to be members of Freemason organizations, may face up to 10 years in prison.

If the membership in a Masonic organization causes deaths, a threat to Ukraine’s national integrity or its defense potential, members of the organization must be imprisoned for 10 to 15 years, the bill reads.

In February, the leader of Ukraine’s Socialist Party, Aleksander Moroz, said that about 300 of Ukraine’s top officials were members of the St. Stanislaus Order Masonic Lodge. Later, other left-wing parties and also the pro-Western bloc headed by Yulia Tymoshenko also called on the government to ban the St Stanislaus Order in Ukraine.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: freemasons; parliament; ukraine; yanukovych
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1 posted on 12/09/2004 4:11:04 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Who rigs ever oscar night?.


2 posted on 12/09/2004 4:12:51 PM PST by John Will
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To: nickcarraway
LOL

We went through this in, what, the 1830s? :)

3 posted on 12/09/2004 4:13:36 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan
We went through this in, what, the 1830s? :)

And the 1780s, and the 1960s, and the 1300s, and the 1400s, and the 1970s, and ... Just won't go away, will it?

4 posted on 12/09/2004 4:16:19 PM PST by Leonine
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To: nickcarraway
any other organizations that require rituals and oaths of higher priority than the current law

Blasphemers of the state religion (communism) shall be punished...

5 posted on 12/09/2004 4:17:40 PM PST by Odyssey-x
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To: nickcarraway

I'm not a big fan of the masons and can see how secret societies can be bad but they should just prosecute crimes nuetral to whatever group or society a person belongs too.


6 posted on 12/09/2004 4:18:13 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: bahblahbah

too = to


7 posted on 12/09/2004 4:18:35 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: John Will

WE DO! WE DO!


8 posted on 12/09/2004 4:21:24 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: nickcarraway

This is why they have secrets. Now they will just go underground.


9 posted on 12/09/2004 4:22:28 PM PST by TheLion
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To: nickcarraway

That's what we should rename Congress..."The Supreme Rada."


10 posted on 12/09/2004 4:22:45 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: Odyssey-x
Blasphemers of the state religion (communism) shall be punished...

Isn't it the nationalists who want to stem the socialist masons?

11 posted on 12/09/2004 4:23:13 PM PST by Leonine
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To: nickcarraway

12 posted on 12/09/2004 4:24:11 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: Leonine
Historically, Russia (and by extension Ukraina, Belarus, and the Baltic nations) have had much higher concern over Freemasons, Rosicrucians, and other such orders than most -- even perhaps all -- other nations. Whether this was entirely justified is dubious, but there isn't the slightest doubt in the world that the Rosicrucians, for one, conspired on occasion during Catherine's reign with one of the Grand Dukes (sorry, forget which one right this minute -- maybe Paul?) to attempt to coerce the removal of a number of her advisers. Presumably, this was entered into with a view toward weakening her to the point of abdication.

One can hardly conceive of Freemasons these days trying to overthrow or undermine, say, Germany or any other developed nation. Ukraina is, though, so fragile a political state right now that it's difficult to apply the statement ''that could never happen'' there.

13 posted on 12/09/2004 4:45:11 PM PST by SAJ
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To: nickcarraway

Looking for a way to rally the the votes to themselves, attacking freemasons who are by (rite, capable of retallation from within as well as outside forces,
seems to be the battle that was lost before it was fought.

Unity might help.
Ops4 God Bless America!


14 posted on 12/09/2004 4:45:50 PM PST by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: Leonine
Ukrainian MP Taras Chornovil has suggested that the country’s parliament, the Supreme Rada, introduce criminal responsibility for Freemasonry.

Taras Chornovil is the son of the late nationalist leader Vyacheslav Chornovil, and his appointment as an adviser to presidential candidate Viktor Yanukovich on West-Ukrainian affairs earlier this year provoked much criticism in nationalist circles. He will head Yanukovich’s campaign headquarters in the repeat of the controversial second round of Ukrainian presidential elections.

Yankukovich is Putin's puppet, the guy who works in his campaign suggested this bad. Freemasons, as far as everything I read are moderate social democrats. The United States was founded by the Masons after all. As far as Chornovil being a nationalist, I'd guess he was a member of the faux opposition which is a classic communist tactic. Lenin even set up his own fake opposition party to convince the west that Russia really was a liberal country that tolerates opposition. It was called "The Trust" and the following essay (excerpted) bears plenty of relavence to the ongoing attempted re-integration of the Soviet Union.

http://www.bigelowconsulting.com/CRAweb/essay21.htm

Orlov became assistant to the chief of the directorate and in that position became familiar with the work of other department heads. His mentor was the chief of counter-intelligence , a man named Artusov. He and Orlov had become close friends during the Russo-Polish War. Artusov was a brilliant , creative genius who devised deceptive and provocative schemes to control and pacify the anti-Bolshevik forces. One of his conspiratorial triumphs was called the "Trust" operation. This stratagem called for a clique of Bolshevik agents playing the role of "White Russian counter-revolutionaries" to forestall the threat of terrorism and to put such plans on hold by convincing the Grand Duke, the White Russian leader in exile, that the Trust and the Whites could form an alliance to overthrow the Bolshevik regime. The Trust offered the Duke a number of inducements including what appeared to be a bona fide proposal that gave the Whites final control over the selection of a Tsar and the Duke bought the whole package. Not only that but the Trust extracted a vow from the Duke that he would never make a move before consulting the Trust. This pledge bought time for the Soviets over a six year period to consolidate their control over the vast Soviet Union. It was an extraordinarily successful deception. In another instant, the Trust was like a spider web attracting agents outside of Russia to cross the border and attempt to unseat the Bolsheviks. Once in they were entrapped. The method the Trust used was to send disinformation to the Poles, who then turned it over to the British who would then send one or more agents into Russia. In fact, this is how the "Ace of Spies" was finally captured and executed.

15 posted on 12/09/2004 4:48:16 PM PST by Odyssey-x
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Self ping so I can come back later and keep up with the merriment.


16 posted on 12/09/2004 4:50:30 PM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: Odyssey-x

Thanks for the info--gotta go!


17 posted on 12/09/2004 4:53:37 PM PST by Leonine
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To: SAJ

Thanks much for the info--gotta go!


18 posted on 12/09/2004 4:54:15 PM PST by Leonine
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To: Odyssey-x

The post I made was a bit incoherent. I was kind of in a rush :) . The linked article is a good read though.


19 posted on 12/09/2004 4:56:12 PM PST by Odyssey-x
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To: Leonine
Blasphemers of the state religion (communism) shall be punished... Isn't it the nationalists who want to stem the socialist masons?

First of all, use of the word nationalist here is misleading. This guy favors the Ukraine again teaming up with Russia. That's Russian nationalist, not Ukrainian. As for socialism, I think the "nationalists" are the ones with the fear of capitalism and who would look to the Soviet past for examples.

As for the Masons being socialists, well, sometimes the word socialist is used on FR in a way that covers the great majority of Americans. In that sense, a lot of Masons may be mildly socialist. However, what the Masons really are for is God and country. I'm not a Mason and don't even to my knowledge know any. But I strongly suspect that most Masons vote Republican.

I recommend this page on the masons.

20 posted on 12/09/2004 5:01:44 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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