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Comedians say gag is no laughing matter( no jokes about gays and women)
Times Online ^ | 12/09/04 | Charles Bremner in Paris

Posted on 12/08/2004 6:09:23 PM PST by Pikamax

Comedians say gag is no laughing matter From Charles Bremner in Paris

FRENCH comedians, worried that they might be out of a job, sided with freedom-of-speech advocates yesterday after Parliament passed a law that makes it an imprisonable offence to insult homosexuals and women.

Jokes about blondes, La Cage aux Folles — the hit show and film about camp gays — and even the Old Testament could be banned under the law, suggested critics who said that political correctness was running riot in France.

“We are plunging ever more into le politiquement correct,” Laurent Ruquier, a star television comedian, said, using an expression imported in the 1990s from America. “You are not allowed to mention anything or anyone,” Ruquier said, noting that he is himself gay.

The unease is being felt on both the Right and the Left as France follows the US and Britain down the path of trying to stamp out the potential for causing offence to minorities of any kind.

In Britain the comedian Rowan Atkinson has joined the fight against government plans to criminalise incitement of religious hatred, arguing that comics must be free to lampoon religion and religious leaders.

The Catholic church opposed the new French law and some critics on the Left said that the State was resorting to the methods of the Thought Police of George Orwell’s 1984.

Meanwhile, France Soir warned its readers to avoid the most common French insults: “Calling a woman mal baisée (sexually frustrated) or uttering a homophobic enculé (a***hole) could cost you six months’ jail.”

Last month the National Human Rights Commission urged the Government to abandon the Bill that outlaws sexist and homophobic insults.

“If it is adopted, we will face difficulty defining insults and will thus have to condemn words. Certain films, books and even the Bible could come under its terms,” said the state body.

The centre-right Government of President Chirac ignored the advice, redrafting the Bill but leaving in place the maximum six months in prison and £15,000 fine for “defaming a person or a group of persons on account of their sex or their sexual orientation”.

In a stormy parliamentary session, rebel MPs from M Chirac’s Union for a Popular Majority (UMP) inserted the handicapped as another protected minority but this is likely to be dropped by the Senate.

The new law, which also includes penalties for incitement, puts sexual insults into the same framework as longstanding laws against racist and anti-Semitic speech and denying the Holocaust.

The Bill also creates a high authority for combating all “discriminations”.

Homosexual and feminist groups welcomed the law, which the Government drafted in an attempt to regain credit with gay and women’s groups after it opposed homosexual marriage last spring. One of the first steps planned by SOS homophobie, a campaign group, is the prosecution of football supporters who chant pédés (queers) at players who do not meet with their favour.

According to Les Chiennes de Garde (Guard Bitches), a feminist group, the law would act as a brake on the physical abuse of women “by first outlawing verbal violence”.

Nicolas Sarkozy, the UMP leader, said that the new law was “reasonable and respects liberty”. However, a dissident minority of his own conservative MPs said that the Government was trying to police speech and legislate on language. Christine Boutin, a conservative Catholic UMP member, said that the Government was “setting up a morality police”. Jean-Pierre Ricard, head of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference, also took issue. “Will it still be possible to say that we do not consider heterosexuality and homosexuality to be on the same level?” he asked. “Debate should be free.”

France is returning to moral legislation of the type that led to the 19th-century prosecution of Gustave Flaubert for publishing Madame Bovary, his novel on female adultery, Michel Erman, Professor of Linguistics at the University of Burgundy, said. The best reaction to an insult was not prosecution but a witty rejoinder, he wrote in Libération. Le Nouvel Observateur, weekly bible of the thinking classes, offered readers a list of “insults that can still be used without risk of ruin or prison”. Blonde jokes are out “because they are a degrading attack on a category of the female gender which does not always have the means to choose its hair colour”.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911truthers; christineboutin; comedy; europeanunion; france; homosexualagenda; pc

1 posted on 12/08/2004 6:09:24 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
It won't be too much longer before Europe crawls up it's own collective rectum and dies. That is, what's left of it that didn't capitulate to radical Islam first. I picture the Frogs as being the first to roof-dive into cultural oblivion.


2 posted on 12/08/2004 6:19:22 PM PST by Viking2002 (Taglines? Vikings don't need no steenkin' taglines..............)
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To: Pikamax

So, to les fagguets zis is like a monkey on their backs, no? To make ze joke about zere behinds doing double duty?
Zat is too damn bad! I laugh at ze silly queers! Haha!


3 posted on 12/08/2004 6:19:39 PM PST by derllak
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To: Pikamax

I guess they will have to stick with pointing out how their country smells like BO, and that they are all cheese eating surrender monkeys.


4 posted on 12/08/2004 6:19:49 PM PST by Mike1973
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To: Pikamax

Okay, what's the difference between a blond and a bowling ball?


5 posted on 12/08/2004 6:22:21 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Pikamax
Parliament passed a law that makes it an imprisonable offence to insult homosexuals and women.

But it's still OK to make jokes about Muslims?

6 posted on 12/08/2004 6:24:25 PM PST by Alouette ("Who is for the LORD, come with me!" -- Mattisyahu ben Yohanon, father of Judah Maccabee)
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To: Pikamax
I hope Sam Kinison's ghost haunts them for that.
7 posted on 12/08/2004 6:26:28 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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According to Les Chiennes de Garde (Guard Bitches), a feminist group, the law would act as a brake on the physical abuse of women “by first outlawing verbal violence”

Let me get this straight.

A feminist group called 'Guard Bitches' is in favor of outlawing verbal abuse towards women?

Tell me the world hasn't gone completely insane.

8 posted on 12/08/2004 6:28:30 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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To: Pikamax

Guess we'll soon be seeing the French burn people at the stake again. Or better yet, maybe they'll REALLY start recruiting and training the NEW thought police!


9 posted on 12/08/2004 6:31:27 PM PST by demkicker (I'm Ra th er sick of Dan)
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To: Abcdefg

o.k., I'll bite. What IS the difference between a blonde and a bowling ball?


10 posted on 12/08/2004 6:32:18 PM PST by Amore (First, lYouet's kill all the lawyers!)
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To: Abcdefg

I know three or four different answers, and all would be deleted by our moderator.


11 posted on 12/08/2004 6:33:27 PM PST by Buck W. (How can anyone who works for a living vote democrat?)
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To: Pikamax

Don't these idiots know that the backlash that all of this BS will create will set them back, not forward?


12 posted on 12/08/2004 6:35:08 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Pikamax
The Bill also creates a high authority for combating all “discriminations”.

If I read this right the French now have a bill to discriminate against discrimination.

13 posted on 12/08/2004 6:39:50 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: Pikamax
Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag and smile, smile, smile...while you've a lucifer to light your fag, smile boy, that's the style...

I s'pose if someone sings that song in public, it's off to the slammer for him.

14 posted on 12/08/2004 6:43:17 PM PST by stevem
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To: Abcdefg

You could eat a bowling ball if you had to?


15 posted on 12/08/2004 6:50:19 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Abcdefg

You could eat a bowling ball if you had to?


16 posted on 12/08/2004 6:50:43 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Amore

This is un-effing believable! Kudos to Rowan Atkinson for speaking out against the British version of this insane law (and iirc, he's done so before in similar circumstances). It must be the case that no one has a right _not_ to be offended; offensive speech is _precisely_ the sort of speech that needs protecting. Nobody needs to protect popular speech. Otherwise, the freedom of speech is meaningless.

(And the answer is... you can only get three fingers in a bowling ball.)


17 posted on 12/08/2004 7:00:53 PM PST by transhumanist (Science must trump superstition)
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To: Abcdefg

Okay, what's the difference between a blond and a bowling ball?
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Ummm... da blond haz know e ??? ;-))



18 posted on 12/08/2004 7:17:47 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: Pikamax
Gee....this is good practice for when the muslims take over. But then again they don't stand up for anything, except to criticize the USA.
19 posted on 12/08/2004 7:22:39 PM PST by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: Steel Wolf

Yes, of course... I see it now... (doing my best Peter Seller's imitation): "Ze Gaurd Beetches have a bimb-plot in zer minds.."


20 posted on 12/08/2004 7:28:49 PM PST by Alia
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To: Pikamax

"...puts sexual insults into the same framework as longstanding laws against racist and anti-Semitic speech and denying the Holocaust."

Once you start down the road of dumb, anti-speech laws, it's hard to stop.


21 posted on 12/08/2004 7:29:15 PM PST by Kerfuffle
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To: Pikamax
French Parliamentarians ARE homosexuals and women. Well, Girlie-men, anyhow.

Guess that Scotches my next trip to Gay Paris!

22 posted on 12/08/2004 8:09:13 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: Viking2002
Europe crawls up it's own collective rectum and dies

Hey! we told you to knock off the Gay Bashing ;>

23 posted on 12/08/2004 8:46:38 PM PST by tophat9000 (We didn’t rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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To: Pikamax

The french have no sense of humor, and thats the LAW.

What a horrible place to live, where nothing is funny, God is banned and Muslims run rampant with crime.

Sounds like they are ahead of America.


24 posted on 12/09/2004 1:18:51 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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