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Challenges Planned to Ohio's Presidential Vote Totals
The Washington Post ^ | Monday, December 6, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/05/2004 10:45:00 PM PST by TBP

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To: Joe_October

great point! I intend to use that argument in the future


61 posted on 12/06/2004 6:54:30 AM PST by CharlieOK1 (4 more years!!)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

http://www.ohvotesuppression.blogspot.com/

About a fourth of the way from the bottom. I keep up with madness from time to time.This is about a dem election official not providing enough machines.This of course is a dem or lib site.


62 posted on 12/06/2004 7:11:51 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: TBP

The President enjoys a Mandate of the American public over 3.5 million more votes that John Kerry. I don't care what any Dems say... Keep beating the mandate and political capital drum and beat it loudly. They lost by a landslide and they need to know it.


63 posted on 12/06/2004 7:50:58 AM PST by tomnbeverly (Its time to spend some political capital... Ouch that has to hurt liberals.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

SLIGHTLY closer...


64 posted on 12/06/2004 7:56:02 AM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: TBP

I think that is a grammatical error on your part. Democrat and gracefully are oximorons! In other words, They just sound like black/white...up/down...in/out. You can't use them in the same sentence. ;)


65 posted on 12/06/2004 8:23:43 AM PST by queenkathy (Queen of Everything ( and more))
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To: Halgr

I got banned last week. I think I was too reasonable and had a hard time lying to them.


66 posted on 12/06/2004 8:27:44 AM PST by queenkathy (Queen of Everything ( and more))
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To: Republican Wildcat

Yes. The difference went from 136,000 to 119,000. Not even a liberal twit would think that "much closer".


67 posted on 12/06/2004 8:28:00 AM PST by rootntootn (Kerry lied, millions died)
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To: randita
If long lines prevented people from voting, you'd have to assume it deterred Bush and Kerry voters in the same proportion as the counted votes. Unless you start with the assumption that Kerry voters were more easily deterred.

That's another way of saying they weren't as committed as Bush voters, which is understandable, but not provable in a courtroom.

Even if they found a judge to agree with them, what is the solution, a new vote? Fat chance.

68 posted on 12/06/2004 9:04:25 AM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has never led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: You Dirty Rats

It is a problem but it is not voter intimidation or supression. If they would have closed the poll at 7:30, I would be more concerned. At least people had the pride and patriotism to stand in line that long.


69 posted on 12/06/2004 9:45:57 AM PST by CriticalJ (Ecc 10:2 A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left.)
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To: PatriotGirl827

Hi J.

We are almost neighbors then. Port Saint Lucie here.

About 30 North.

I love the Gardens.


70 posted on 12/06/2004 10:30:11 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: savedbygrace

People are complaining about long lines in black urban communities where people can step out of their door and walk down to the corner of the street to the polling place or in the worst case scenario can use the city bus. What about rural voters who have to drive for miles (assuming they have a car) in order to vote. Since rural voters tend to be Republican couldn't we consider this a systematic disenfrachisement of Republican voters?

Republican==winners
Democrat==whinners


71 posted on 12/06/2004 12:08:21 PM PST by Avenger
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To: Republican Wildcat; TBP
SOURCE: http://www.conservativeaction.org/resources.php3?nameid=votefraud

How Democrats Steal Elections - Top 10 Methods of Liberal Vote Fraud

1. Over-Voting. In Democrat strongholds like St. Louis, Philadelphia and Detroit, some precincts had 100% of their registered voters voting, with 99% of the ballots going to Gore. Clearly, multiple voting resulted in extra tallies for Gore in the 2000 election. (New York Post, 12/09/00).

2. Dead Voters. This classic Democratic method of vote fraud goes all the way back to 1960 in Chicago and Dallas. The 2000 election was no exception. In Miami-Dade County, for example, some of the 144 ineligible votes (those which officials actually admitted to) were cast by dead people, including a Haitian-American who's been deceased since 1977 (Miami-Herald, 12/24/00).

3. Mystery Voters. These "voters" cast votes anyway but are not even registered to vote. In heavily Democratic Broward County, for example, more than 400 ballots were cast by non-registered voters. (Miami-Herald 1/09/01)

4. Military ballots. Many of these votes were disqualified for the most mundane and trivial reasons. At least 1,527 valid military ballots were discarded in Florida by Democratic vote counters (Drudge Report, 11/19/00).

5. Criminals. Felons are a natural Democratic voter and they're protected on voter rolls across the country. In Florida at least 445 ex-convicts - including rapists and murderers -- voted illegally on November 7th. Nearly all of them were registered Democrats. (Miami-Herald 12/01/00)

6. Illegal aliens. These voters have long been a core liberal constituency, especially in California. In Orange County in 1996, Rep. Bob Dornan had his congressional seat stolen from him when thousands of illegal aliens voted for Loretta Sanchez (Christian Science Monitor, 9/2/97).

7. Vote-buying. Purchasing votes has long been a traditional scheme by Democrats, and not just with money. In the 2000 election in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Democratic workers initiate a "smokes-for-votes" campaign in which they paid dozens of homeless men with cigarettes if they cast ballots for Al Gore (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 11/14/00).

8. Phantom Voters. These voters don't really exist, but their ballots do. In the 1996 Lousiana Senate race, GOP candidate Woody Jenkins had the election stolen from him when he discovered that 7,454 actual votes were cast but had no paper trail to authenticate them (Behind the Headlines, F.R. Duplantier, 4/27/97).

9. Dimpled chads. Those infamous punch-cards were a ballot bonanza for Al Gore. Democratic poll workers in Palm Beach, Dade and Broward counties tampered and manipulated thousands of ineligible ballots and counted them for Gore, even though no clear vote could be discerned. (NewsMax.com 11/27, 12/22, 11/18, 11/19/00).

10. Absentee ballots. Normally it's assumed that Republicans benefit from absentee ballots. But in the case of Miami's 1997 mayoral election, hundreds of absentee ballots were made for sale or sent out to non-Miami residents. Fraud was so extensive in the race that the final results were overturned in court (FL Dept. of Law Enforcement Report, 1/5/98)."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=votefraud

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=electionfraud

72 posted on 12/06/2004 2:08:23 PM PST by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: Torie

Yes, but that would be unbiased reporting, which the MSM is generally incapable of doing;)


73 posted on 12/06/2004 3:32:05 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Elvis van Foster
On the Black Box Voting website, a couple of losers blamed "freepers" for getting Bev kicked off. I was tempted to post to them, "Hell no, the Freepers love Bev. We wouldn't do anything like that!"

Like your screenname, are you an ETA?

74 posted on 12/06/2004 3:56:49 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: Owen

National Pop. Vot Ohio Pop. Vote


Year Winner Loser Winner Loser



2004 50.89 48.14 51.05 48.48



2000 48.38 47.87 49.97 46.46


1996 49.23 40.72 47.38 41.02


1992 43.01 37.45 40.18 38.35



1988 53.37 45.65 55.00 44.15



1984 58.77 40.56 58.90 40.14



1980 50.75 41.01 51.51 40.91



1976 50.08 48.02 48.92 48.65



1972 60.62 37.52 59.63 38.07


1968 43.42 42.72 45.23 42.95



1964 61.05 38.47 62.94 37.06



1960 49.72 49.55 46.72 53.68



1956 57.37 41.97 61.11 38.89


1952 55.12 44.33 56.76 43.24


1948 49.55 45.07 49.48 49.24


Geometric Average 51.81 43.09 51.94 43.17

Arithimic Average 52.09 43.27 52.32 43.42

51.95 43.18 52.13 43.29

-0.18 -0.11


75 posted on 12/06/2004 5:56:43 PM PST by Perdogg (W stands for Winner)
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To: Perdogg

Not bad. Nice rebuttal information. Send it to the Ohio GOP, who may actually deign to send a lawyer to the lawsuits the wackos will bring.

You CAN win a case in court that has no merit if you also have no opponent there.


76 posted on 12/06/2004 7:22:51 PM PST by Owen
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To: Elvis van Foster
I have a DU account, self-cast as a "liberal". I go on all the recount threads and egg them on.

My theory is that there are really only a half dozen or so true liberals on that site. Everybody else that posts there is a freeper pretending to be a crazy liberal.

77 posted on 12/07/2004 8:02:30 PM PST by Wissa
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To: rootntootn

Thought I saw somewhere before the election that there was a sizeable number of people in Florida who were also registered in Ohio. Would be interesting to see how many of the Ohio absentee ballots were cast by people in this group who also voted in Florida.


78 posted on 12/08/2004 12:56:57 PM PST by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: Merry

Yet it is always amazing to me that when recounts are done only Dems wind up gaining votes.


79 posted on 12/08/2004 4:57:21 PM PST by weshess (I will stop hunting when the animals agree to quit jumping in front of my gun to commit suicide)
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To: rootntootn

never underestimate the stupidity of a liberal twit


80 posted on 12/08/2004 5:06:17 PM PST by wny
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