Posted on 12/05/2004 1:15:36 AM PST by El Oviedo
It could happen any day now: A U.S. military unit heads into an urban combat zone in Iraq's Sunni Triangle. Its members believe they know where Abu Musab Zarqawi is hiding. Their mission is to capture or kill the most murderous terrorist this side of Osama bin Laden.
Their chance of succeeding--and getting back alive--will be enhanced by accurate and timely intelligence fed to them from overhead satellites.
Question: Who should control those satellites?
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Why would they be supporting illegals obtaining driver's licenses? That's un-American?
...and Tom Tancredo 2008 = LAST HOPE TO SAVE AMERICA
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Did you try to click the link? It worked for me.
Here also is the quote from Sen. Kit Bond (R),Intelligence Committee, from tuesday (wasn't reported until yesterday!)
"I THINK THERE ARE ENOUGH QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS BILL THAT WE OUGHT TO COME BACK AND DO IT RIGHT NEXT YEAR"
This was pointed out to you the other day, and you assumed the source was a white supremecist website. Please advise if you'd apply that label to Human Events Online.
Rep. J.D. Hayworth said that 8 of those hijackers were registered to vote per their driver's license. I guess he's a racist, too. We would just all crap if we knew how many illegals are voting.
I did find this on pages 6 thru 13:
"Fourteen of 15 operatives and all of the pilots acquired one or multiple forms of U.S. state-issued identification. Only Satam al Suqami did not, possibly because he was the only hijacker who knew he was out of immigration status: his length of stay end date of May 20, 2000, was clearly inserted in his passport."
"The 19 hijackers applied for 23 visas and obtained 22. Five other conspirators were denied U.S. visas. Two more obtained visas but did not participate in the attack for various reasons.
"....The hijackers successfully entered the United States 33 of 34 times, with the first arriving on January 15, 2000, at Los Angeles International Airport. All others entered through 8 airports on the East Coast, including 11 entries through New York area airports and 12 through Florida airports. The four pilots passed through immigration and customs inspections a total of 17 times from May 29, 2000, to August 5, 2001. Ziad Jarrah was the most frequent border crosser, entering the United States seven times. Mohamed Atta and Marwan al Shehhi came in three times each, entering for the last time on May 2 and July 19, 2001, respectively. Hani Hanjour was the only hijacker to enter on an academic visa, arriving on December 8, 2000."
Everyone , including Sensenberger, has admitted that the driver's licenses were obtained legally. There is nothing in the proposed bill that would have prevented any of the hijackers from getting licenses. The hijackers were specifically recruited because they were "clean" and could legally get visas, passports, and other supporting documents.
I don't think illegals can get drivers licenses now, but I don't know. But it's a laborer issue, not a terrorist issue.
Yes, that's what we're trying to change. Several of the terrorists got the drivers licenses they used to board the planes after being vouched for by illegal aliens, and then those terrorists vouched for more terrorists. You doubted that earlier, and you were mistaken.
There is nothing in the proposed bill that would have prevented any of the hijackers from getting licenses.
You're missing the point. States who are lax in screening who obtains their licenses will not have those licenses honored for federal purposes, such as boarding airplanes. Obstinate states can still give away licenses to illegal aliens or terrorists, but no one carrying such licenses will be able to board airplanes.
Since lax regulations for the integrity of identification documents were exploited by several of the September 11th hijackers, tightening those regulations does have an antiterror utility. That it also makes America less inviting to illegal aliens is only a large bonus.
Isn't that his job here?
That sentence is just so wrong on several levels.
Illegals can obtain driver's licenses in states that still have lax identity verification standards and are hearded toward immediate voter registration thanks to Motor-Voter programs. I'll answer your next ridiculous statement after the imminent terrorist strike. If it doesn't happen I'll apologize. Don't hold your breath (unless you yourself are caught in a gas or airborn infection attack).
We demand an up or down Senate vote on the House's provisions.
The rest of the story.
Should it be the military commanders of the troops heading into combat? Or should it be a civilian bureaucrat--removed from the military chain of command--sitting in a velvet-draped office in Washington, D.C.?
Right now, the military controls the spy satellites that collect "tactical" intelligence for use in combat. Meanwhile, the Central Intelligence Agency uses these very same satellites for collecting "strategic" intelligence (about things like those suspected Iraqi weapons-of-mass-destruction stockpiles that the CIA--while relying on the satellites--did not recruit a single Iraqi spy to track down and verify on the ground).
Licensed Hijackers
The National Security Agency, which intercepts, decodes and translates communications, the National Reconaissance Office, which operates the surveillance satellites themselves, and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, which analyzes and integrates the data gathered into maps and other combat-usable applications, are all part of the Department of Defense. Their budget requests are generated by the military, and their chain of command runs from the commanders in the field, through the secretary of Defense, to the commander in chief in the White House.
Liberal Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, the chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, wants to take authority over these satellites away from the military commanders and give it to a newly minted civilian bureaucrat, known as the National Intelligence Director, who will have ultimate administrative authority over all intelligence operations both military and civilian. Sen. Joe Lieberman (D.-Conn.), the ranking Democrat on the committee, wants to do that, too.
House Armed Services Chairman Duncan Hunter (R.-Calif.) is standing up for American warriors in the field by standing in the way of Susan Collins and Joe Lieberman.
Hunter is right. Collins and Lieberman are wrong. This is the main conflict that has held up the "intelligence reform" bill that Congress is currently considering in response to the report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.
Now, consider another case. This one, sadly, already came to pass:
Nineteen al Qaeda terrorists board four U.S. jetliners. They identify themselves to the airlines using some of the 63 separate driver's licenses that had been issued to them by various U.S. states--and, in some instances, which they had secured with the help of illegal aliens who had already learned how to manipulate the lax practices of state departments of motor vehicles.
The terrorists hijack the jets and crash them into the twin towers at the World Trade Center in New York, the Pentagon in Northern Virginia, and a field in Western Pennsylvania. They murder more than 3,000 people.
In response to these attacks, thousands of U.S. troops are deployed to Afghanistan to root out the terrorist bosses of these calculated killers. A global war on terror is launched. Many billions of dollars are spent. Many brave, young U.S. fighters are killed or wounded in battle.
Almost three years after the September 11, 2001, attacks, a special federal commission set up to study why the U.S. was so vulnerable recommends that the federal government "set standards for the issuance of . . . driver's licenses."
Never mind that it took three years and a panel of muckity-mucks to arrive at this simple, commonsense application of the federal government's core constitutional function of securing the nation against foreign enemies and providing laws to regulate the immigration and naturalization of aliens. The fact is: The recommendation has not yet been implemented.
If another set of al Qaeda killers were to enter the United States this morning--this time walking illegally across the Mexican or Canadian border--many U.S. states would still give them driver's licenses.
This is another conflict holding up the bill in response to the commission's recommendations. House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R.-Wis.) is insisting that the bill actually carry out the commission's recommendation on setting national standards for driver's licenses. The House has proposed language that would effectively bar states from giving licenses to illegal aliens.
Susan Collins and Joe Lieberman are against this, too.
The majority of the Republicans in the House support the principled stand Hunter and Sensenbrenner have taken on the bill. House Speaker Dennis Hastert two weeks ago refused to bring a bill to a vote without the support of these two key chairmen. Liberals in the House, the Senate and the establishment press want to force Hunter and Sensenbrenner to surrender. But these two conservatives are standing up for America. President Bush should stand with them and insist that Joe Lieberman and Susan Collins surrender.
Last night on the Terry Anderson Show (www.terryandersonshow. com), a latino gang banger, Miguel, from the 18th st. gang called and threatened Anderson, challenging Anderson to give out his home address because 50 of them were coming after him! Anderson really let the guy have it. The next caller was Carlos, an American citizen, who was appauled at the threats and wants the invasion stopped. Anderson, a black American patriot, stated they had enough problems before with their own criminal element,they sure didn't need to import more and their neighbrohoods are being destroyed by the latino gangs.
Then it's an illegal immigrant issue, not a terrorist issue. None of the 9/11 terrorists were illegal immigrants who obtained licenses. The one who's visa had expired did not apply for a license.
There was no problem on identity verification. All licenses had the correct names and pictures.
Not all illegals are terrorists and not all terrorists are illegals. This bill is dealing with intelligence and national security, not labor issues.
No one implied that and you know it. And it is a national security issue when dark-haired and complected fanatics can easily blend in to the hordes of "laborers" (illegal aliens) who continue swarming over the southern borders.
Were you trying to spin the phrase "Not all moslems are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are muslim"? The coyotes love transporting the Middle-Easterners because they willingly pay up to ten times the normal rate. I'm sure those guys have jobs lined up - like poisoning reservoirs Americans are too lazy to contaminate.
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