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Rewarding illegal aliens: worker's program (amnesty)
One American's opinion | 12/04/2004 | chashand

Posted on 12/04/2004 7:12:24 PM PST by chashand

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To: thangdatrang

Damn I love sarcasm. Excellent read.


41 posted on 12/04/2004 8:06:45 PM PST by chashand
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To: jveritas

Sorry, just a random thought. Actually a nagging one. And I can only get on here when I can. But with this Intelligence Bill, and the Pres pushing amnesty, it's the 2nd biggest issue of the day, really tied with the first-National Security. OK, I'm done:)


43 posted on 12/04/2004 8:11:25 PM PST by chashand
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To: chashand

Problem is, if the people have to do something about it because of political inaction, it isn't pretty. And depending on what extreme is taken, it could lead to a war. These boneheads are pushing it right to the limit over greed.


44 posted on 12/04/2004 8:11:49 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: jveritas

My letter to the President today

Dear President Bush:

As a loyal republican voter all my life (age 56) I am deeply
concerned, no, angry at your stance on Immigration and National Security. Our borders remain Porous and Mexico has become a defacto 51st State. The strain upon public services is reaching the breaking point in many border states. Illegals are breaking the law of the land yet we remain helpless to stop the tide. Many Republicans in congress agree with me and are making their voices heard.

Additionally, I don't understand why you think that mental health examinations are warranted for all children. Will you usurp parental approval??? It is my perception that this illustrates your being in the pockets of the Drug companies with no real interest for the welfare of America. Yes, Mr. President, many republicans join me in grave concern for some of your UN-REPUBLICAN Policies. How can you hope to keep the Party together while you create such explosive Legislation?

H.G.


45 posted on 12/04/2004 8:11:58 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: thangdatrang

Favs...


46 posted on 12/04/2004 8:12:22 PM PST by chashand
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To: chashand

I think Bush and Rove have a big old belly laugh daily about the "consuckertives" who returned this president to offie.


47 posted on 12/04/2004 8:14:35 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

"There should be a link to that story somewhere. .....'cause it's a BIG story (if true)."

If I had the right equipment, I would have recorded what NBC showed Bush saying and put it up on the internet....this is HUGE! I'll keep checking my local NBC website to see if they bother to put it on their site.


48 posted on 12/04/2004 8:17:49 PM PST by Susannah (www.AmericasSecretWar.com)
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To: dagnabbit

Well, of course there is privatizing part of Social Security, more tax reform (though I doubt he'll push for a flat tax or national sales tax)....well, that's about all I got....damn it. You may be on to something. Whatever happened to school vouchers? Actually all of these ideas are liberal in the old sense of the word, change. And of course spreading freedom is very liberal. Yeah, as for the current meaning of Conservative (reform, privatization), he's actually in the middle, unfortunately. But, the number one issue is the War, and he's got my full support. But again, rewarding folks for breaking the law, amnesty to illegals, just burns me up.


49 posted on 12/04/2004 8:22:01 PM PST by chashand
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To: chashand
Some of the strongest voices really say very little. They want to secure the borders. Don't reward people for breaking the law. That doesn't really get us very far, at all. Suppose we agree on that. Now what? Who does what, how, and paid by whom?

The way things are now arranged is that local law enforcement is to arrest illegals and turn them over to INS. But they won't do it, because they are too busy controlling traffic and writing tickets. Who could get them to change their priorities? Citizens, maybe, especially if they realize that their idea of making them all dems isn't working out.

As conservatives do you want more federal cops running around town? I was hoping that the AG would sue LA for harboring illegals. Justice could even take over, as the Congress has the right to say what a citizen is and states and cities do not have the right to make different rules. Maine, for instance is a sanctuary. That is clearly unconstitutional.

50 posted on 12/04/2004 8:32:09 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: chashand
Bush has at least a three-track policy to bring about his dream of a merged USA-Mexico. Each track is underhanded and deceptive in nature.

1. Trying for a massive permanent illegal alien amnesty deceptively termed a "temporary worker program".

2. Running a massive stealth amnesty for four years already, in which Mexican and other foreign diplomats in the USA are allowed to confer "status" on illegals with increasingly-accepted "Matricla" ID cards.

3. Running interference for illegals, by restricting the border patrol, by blocking anti-illegal legislation, by allowing use of Matricula cards, etc.
51 posted on 12/04/2004 8:35:02 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

To deport all illegal immigrants would require many buses.

But there is a better way to go about it.

First you deport every illegal you find, right away. If they have a family, too bad, they are gone.

If their kids were born in this country, mom and pop go back. They can take their kids if they want to. Otherwise the state will take care of them. Goodbye.

And that will send a message.

And you then go after those who employ them. Once the people cannot get a job, make a living, they will leave.

Is it a draconian approach? Sure.

Do the politicians, including GWB, have the stomach for it?

Probably not.

But to me it is the only way.


52 posted on 12/04/2004 8:35:18 PM PST by auntdot
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To: ClaireSolt

I did think AG Ashcroft would at least enforce the current laws on this issue, like he did with the gun laws. But as we know, no such luck. I do think our voices are being heard though. They have to be. From Conservative to Liberal, to Republican to Democrat, the majority are for at the minumum enforcing the current immigration laws on the books, and surely not rewsrding those that are breaking them. The INS does a terrible job. Just another federal institution which fails miserably.
Really, Maine is a sanctuary? Actually one of the few states I haven't had the pleasure of visiting. When you say santuary, do you mean there is actually a state law to some affect?


53 posted on 12/04/2004 8:43:34 PM PST by chashand
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To: dagnabbit

I do think W probably made a promise, or compromise of some sort, with the Mexican Pres, and of course he's a man of his word. But he's a man of common sense too, and this is why I am so damned thrown off. I'm just glad Kerry didn't bring this up during the campaign, and on the opposite side. Well, wouldn't not affected my vote, and W and Rove probably knew this.


54 posted on 12/04/2004 8:48:13 PM PST by chashand
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To: Havoc
"This isn't a Dem vs. Pub thing. They're all up to their eyeballs in it and refuse to represent us."

Ever so true! Proposals that attack the employers coupled with monetary rewards for informers on who is employing illegals and serious penalties for said employers would put a big dent, if not eliminate entirely, the availability of work for illegals and hence the attraction that fuels this illegality. It so simple but, as you say, there are special interests who are, through our politicians, thwarting the will of the people - and it is not the legal Hispanic community. I would bet serious money that opposition to illegal immigration is as strong in the legal immigrant community as elsewhere. After all, it is many of these people who, after dutifully (and LEGALLY) waiting in line to immigrate, have to compete with the illegals for entry level jobs, jobs that undoubtedly pay lower wages because of the illegal influx.
55 posted on 12/04/2004 9:47:05 PM PST by drt1
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To: ohiocreek
"Brilliant idea! Thousands of potentially dangerous criminals crossing the border every year, what is going through your mind? "

Do you think if we give them kalli-fornica; they'll leave the rest of the states alone?
Don't make them mad, or they'll take Arizona too.

56 posted on 12/04/2004 9:56:27 PM PST by hoot2
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To: Ben Ficklin
"If the guest worker plan doesn't suit you, what does? "

Combine the original "bracero program" with a new "border truck terminal". Leave the "nafta trucks" on their side of the border.
Health and criminal screenings can be done there. Workers will not bring their "extended families" with them.
This seems pretty simple and also sorta safe.

57 posted on 12/04/2004 10:01:41 PM PST by hoot2
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To: Ben Ficklin
If the guest worker plan doesn't suit you, what does?

We are under no obligation to legalize illegal aliens. If we don't have the guts to deport them, I still see no reason to give them amnesty. They will be our low paid serf labor force. At the same time tighten up the border and our visa process which should be done anyway, would wouldn't you agree?  Regardless of what happens with George Bush's amnesty efforts.

58 posted on 12/04/2004 10:03:55 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: hoot2
Workers will not bring their "extended families" with them.
This seems pretty simple and also sorta safe.


Will you greatly enhance Mexican border enforcement to insure they don't bring in extended families? Will you enforce the deportation laws for those who violate our guest worker program?
59 posted on 12/04/2004 10:06:49 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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60 posted on 12/04/2004 10:45:04 PM PST by gubamyster
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