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...consider the Taser only as a nonlethal last resort when dealing with students of any age...

In both cases it appeared as though the police had resorted to Tasering as a last resort. In one case the enraged 6-year-old was threatenint himself and others with a piece of glass and knocking him to the ground with a billy-club seemed to be overkill. Shooting him with a gun seemed excessive.

In the case of the 12-year old drunken, cigar smoking girl-truant, she was a danger to herself and was ready to dash across a busy intersection.

Too much blame heaped on the police department.

1 posted on 11/20/2004 7:44:53 AM PST by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman

And they're supposed to use WHAT????

SPITBALLS???????????????


2 posted on 11/20/2004 7:52:44 AM PST by digger48
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To: JesseHousman

Fine - just plug the little criminals with a 9MM then.


3 posted on 11/20/2004 7:55:15 AM PST by asgardshill (November 2004 - The Month That Just Kept On Giving)
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To: JesseHousman

BS if an adult cannot disarm a six year old, than that person does not deserve to be called an adult. Mothers and parents all thr time have to control children that are young and out of control and might have a dangeropuse object. Hell we are larger and stronger and faster and wiser. If an adult cannot handle that situation than that police officer should retire.


4 posted on 11/20/2004 8:00:18 AM PST by Rhiannon
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To: JesseHousman

wouldn't be surprised if that cigar was laced with embalming fluid, either.

But a six year old? unless that six year old is holding the glass to his throat, you can grab him. or you can just sit there and WAIT. One reason parents do abuse difficult children is because of power struggles, or the belief they have to do something, instead of nothing at all, sometimes. and I learned this the hard way with my own difficult child. Just WAIT.

I guess we should be glad the officer exhibited restraint and tasered the child instead of shooting him. That's what some of them do with crazed suicidal adults holding knives.

Mrs VS


5 posted on 11/20/2004 8:00:36 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: JesseHousman

Ok, Rudy, Next time you have a situation YOU handle it. Your people could not and called police. So I guess it is okay if they get seriously injured. In fact it seems that they did handle it without serious injury.
Damned if you do, Damned if you don't I guess.


6 posted on 11/20/2004 8:05:09 AM PST by Phrostie
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To: JesseHousman
"In the case of the 12-year old drunken, cigar smoking girl-truant, she was a danger to herself and was ready to dash across a busy intersection."

Nah. I liked their description better -- an unarmed, 12-year-old girl playing "hooky".

She's unarmed. She's only 12. She's just a girl. And she's "playing".

And the meanie policeman felt so bad about it that he "voluntarily gave up his Taser".

As I said on the other thread, the girl's mother should have also been tasered for good measure.

8 posted on 11/20/2004 8:11:39 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: JesseHousman
I thought this from the Onion.

Isn't it obvious to everyone that you don't need to TASER a 6 year old kid ?! Is everyone involved in elementary school education lack common sense?

What does the kid weigh, 50 lbs? The police and school couldn't have talked to him?
9 posted on 11/20/2004 8:16:01 AM PST by rcocean
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The 6-year old was under 60 lbs. (the minimum for using a tazer). The 12 year old girl was ditching class, a situation that hardly warrants a major use of force.

It sounds like the Tazer's were viewed as a new toy by a couple overzealous members of the Miami PD.


10 posted on 11/20/2004 8:16:37 AM PST by rwilson99 (I am a South Park Republican)
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Room full of supposed adult's, one 6 year old. Strip them of their badges, they were clearly overwhelmed! Blackbird.


11 posted on 11/20/2004 8:17:19 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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Listen people, the stun gun is no big deal, it's just like accidentally touching the sparkplug on your lawnmower. It scares the hell out of you, but does no lasting damage.

I would MUCH rather get hit with a stun gun than a night stick. One knocks you on your ass, the other does the same, but breaks bones and leaves bruises.

For the experts that think a piece of broken glass is no problem, think of severed tendons and nerves and loss of use of a hand for life, both for the little hoodlum if you grab his hand too hard, or for your hand, if you're too slow.

If that was the result, while you had mace, stungun, and stick on your belt and were certified with all, the lawyers would be all over you for NOT using them instead of grabbing the kid and causing him to tighten his grip on the glass, losing him the use of his hand for life.


13 posted on 11/20/2004 8:19:04 AM PST by E.Allen
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To: JesseHousman

leftist-whiners to cops: "We would rather see a 10 year old cut the throat of that evil Christian boy rather (Dan?) than for you to use a taser to save both lives!" < snivel >


15 posted on 11/20/2004 8:20:18 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: JesseHousman

I've been as critical as anyone here of the militiarization of the police, but it looks like they acted appropriately based on the stories about this that have been posted here.


20 posted on 11/20/2004 8:24:33 AM PST by Mulder ("The price of freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle anywhere and any time"-- Heinlein)
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To: JesseHousman
Miami-Dade Schools Superintendent Rudy Crew asked the police department never again to use a stun gun on an elementary student on school grounds.

The most amazing part of this article is that anyone has to tell a cop the obvious.

21 posted on 11/20/2004 8:25:09 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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''The Pharr student was agitated and injured,'' Crew wrote in his letter to Miami-Dade Police Director Bobby Parker. ``However, police officers have dealt with other children in this condition without resorting to a Taser.''

Bet the kid is tramatized out of ever doing that again. Is that really a bad thing?

23 posted on 11/20/2004 8:27:29 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: JesseHousman

What I find interesting in all of this is the fact that everyone is obsessing about whether or not the police should have used a Taser on the child. My question is: why was the child so disturbed in the first place? I guess they'd rather not ask what the real question is. They put the focus on the behavior of the police, when the child's behavior, imo, warrants much more concern. They'll probably support his useless mother when she decides to sue the police, when they ought to be sending CPS to investigate this child's home environment.


28 posted on 11/20/2004 8:40:35 AM PST by exnavychick
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To: JesseHousman
Just another symptom of out of control public schools.

These days we have schools with armed policemen, bars on windows, metal detectors, drug sniffing dogs, holding students in raids at gunpoint, taser on 6 year olds!

Kids that bring weapons to do deadly harm, kids pushing drugs, zero tolerance nonsense, leftists / socialists indoctrination, perverse sex education at way to early age, uncaring parents who use school as day care.

What a mess, unbelievable!

Pull your kids out of public school. You don't have to put up with this.

32 posted on 11/20/2004 9:03:33 AM PST by Bob Mc
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If it takes a taser...use it...no one knows what the kid has taken.....


35 posted on 11/20/2004 9:47:51 AM PST by Route101
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