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Theo van Gogh's Submission online
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/ ^

Posted on 11/08/2004 7:14:44 AM PST by trashcanbred

This is the film that cost Theo van Gogh his life. From www.genoeg.nu, with thanks to Ana.

(Excerpt) Read more at jihadwatch.org ...


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The actual link to the film is at http://www.genoeg.nu/. I saw this on the JihadWatch web site and had been looking for the film for a while.

As a warning there is some nudity in the filme, the subtitles are in Dutch but they speak english (after a prayer in Arabic)

1 posted on 11/08/2004 7:14:44 AM PST by trashcanbred
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To: trashcanbred

bttt


2 posted on 11/08/2004 7:23:47 AM PST by tje
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To: trashcanbred

Thanks for the post. Downloading now.


3 posted on 11/08/2004 7:32:21 AM PST by Prime Choice (Don't just beat the Left...beat the HELL out of 'em!)
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http://www.genoeg.nu/

Try this link

Warning semi nude (breasts)...butt the words spoken are the truth.
4 posted on 11/08/2004 7:34:51 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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To: trashcanbred

It is now apparent that the men of the religion of peace force their women to wear burkas to cover their scars, bruises, and the hopelessness written on their faces.


5 posted on 11/08/2004 7:38:19 AM PST by PeteePie
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Saw on Fox very early this morning that this guy was killed last week for his anti-islamic views. That seemed to touch off a series of violent attacks against muslims.

Anyone have a link to more info on this?


6 posted on 11/08/2004 7:40:06 AM PST by appalachian_dweller (Threat Level: SEVERE {due to Ramadan} -- Basic list of survival gear @ my FR Homepage)
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To: trashcanbred

"Some nudity"

- Upto the level of bare breasts under a see-through veil.

- And in the strictest sense none-pornographic but indeed functional.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the film's scriptwriter, explained that the nudity emphasizes the fact that these are still *real* women (in the meaning of "persons") under the islamic gear they are forced to wear.


7 posted on 11/08/2004 7:41:23 AM PST by vreemdeling
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Yeah. What happened is he made this movie with a Dutch MP (Member of Parliament) who is an ex-Muslim. She is now (and has been ) in fear of her life and the Netherlands is going through a period where they are re-thinking just how open a society they want to be.

Here are some links:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/11/07/news/dutch.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/11/08/news/dutch.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/


8 posted on 11/08/2004 7:46:10 AM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Dallas59
Warning semi nude (breasts)...

I've seen worse in National Geographic, some PG-13 movies, and a certain Superbowl halftime "wardrobe malfunction."

but the words spoken are the truth.

On this we are in total agreement.

9 posted on 11/08/2004 7:50:29 AM PST by Prime Choice (Don't just beat the Left...beat the HELL out of 'em!)
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To: vreemdeling

Yeah not much but thought it prudent to through up the warning anyway.

I was in the Netherlands back a number of years ago and never did I hear or see any issues with Muslims. Belgiums were the only people they complained about... And they didn't want to serve me in one restaurant because they thought I was German...

But it is a very nice country... the tax was terrible..


10 posted on 11/08/2004 7:50:45 AM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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Wow...I'm curious if there is more...since the clip ends by saying it is "part one".


11 posted on 11/08/2004 7:52:31 AM PST by lsee
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Think maybe he was murdered by Muslims before he made part 2?


12 posted on 11/08/2004 7:56:16 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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Um... I doubt there will be a part two unless Hirsi Ali (the Dutch PM ex Muslim) decides to make another one. She should but her life is now so in danger I think she is in complete hiding.

Oddly enough I have been reading about the problems with Muslims in Europe and in particular the Netherlands (I worked there for a while) and I thought maybe that things were not as bad as the Internet articles made them out to be. The JihadWatch web site for example really paints a negative picture about what is going on in Europe with Muslims. I thought they might be extreme in some of their postings but after what happened last week to Theo Van Gogh and the reaction I am becoming less skeptical.
13 posted on 11/08/2004 8:00:09 AM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Dallas59

Well... he refused protection from the police and he called Muslims "a bunch of goat f**kers". I think making part 2 of the movie was probably not why they killed him.


14 posted on 11/08/2004 8:01:41 AM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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Belgiums were the only people they complained about

Did they call them:
a. The "Sprouts"
b. The "Phlegms"
c. Fat miserable Belgian bastards.

15 posted on 11/08/2004 8:04:01 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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Very strong piece. Thanks for the link. I assume that since Vincent Van Gogh didn't father any children, (at least none we know of) that Theo Van Gogh was of Vincent's brother by the same name. Theo was the only person who stood by his brother during his life and tried to sell his work and supported him with funds that he could barely afford to give.


16 posted on 11/08/2004 8:07:23 AM PST by Lee Heggy (Never tell a lie--except for practice. Mark Twain)
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To: trashcanbred

Thanx for the link. It has all sorts of stories that I haven't seen posted here.


17 posted on 11/08/2004 8:29:36 AM PST by fella
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To: dfwgator

They were not that bad... they just liked to think they are "slow". They had a lot of jokes about them but I think most countries (and states) do this.


18 posted on 11/08/2004 10:41:17 AM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Lee Heggy

Someone jsut posted this up also:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1274444/posts


19 posted on 11/08/2004 10:58:33 AM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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Of course, had Theo Van Gogh decided to make a film in America of a sacred symbol of, say, Christianity, such as a crucifix suspended in urine, he would've been praised by the liberal elites and FUNDED by the NEA...


20 posted on 11/08/2004 11:49:31 AM PST by beejplaysbass ("You can fight without every winning, but never really win without a fight.")
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