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Game, Set, Match (Joshua Marshall exposes CNN lies with David Kay about Al QaQaa April 18 video)
Talking Points Memo ^ | 10/28/04

Posted on 10/28/2004 11:01:23 PM PDT by rocklobster11

Aaron Brown: We saw at the top of the program there is new information to factor in. Pretty conclusive to our eye. So we'll sort through this now. Take the politics out of it and try and deal with facts with former head UN weapons inspector, US weapons inspector, David Kay. David, it’s nice to see you. David Kay: Good to be with you, Aaron.

AB: I don't know how better to do this than to show you some pictures have you explain to me what they are or are not. Okay? First what I’ll just call the seal. And tell me if this is an IAEA seal on that bunker at that munitions dump?

DK: Aaron, about as certain as I can be looking at a picture, not physically holding it which, obviously, I would have preferred to have been there, that is an IAEA seal. I've never seen anything else in Iraq in about 15 years of being in Iraq and around Iraq that was other than an IAEA seal of that shape.

AB: Was there anything else at the facility that would have been under IAEA seal?

DK: Absolutely nothing. It was the HMX, RDX, the two high explosives.

AB: OK now, I’ll take a look at barrels here for a second. You can tell me what they tell you. They, obviously, to us just show us a bunch of barrels. You'll see it somewhat differently.

DK: Well, it's interesting. There were three foreign suppliers to Iraq of this explosive in the 1980s. One of them used barrels like this, and inside the barrels a bag. HMX is in powder form because you actually use it to shape a spherical lens that is used to create the triggering device for nuclear weapons. And particularly on the videotape, which is actually better than the still photos, as the soldier dips into it, that's either HMX or RDX. I don't know of anything else in al Qaqaa that was in that form.

AB: Let me ask you then, David, the question I asked Jamie. In regard to the dispute about whether that stuff was there when the Americans arrived, is it game, set, match? Is that part of the argument now over?

DK: Well, at least with regard to this one bunker, and the film shows one seal, one bunker, one group of soldiers going through, and there were others there that were sealed. With this one, I think it is game, set, and match. There was HMX, RDX in there. The seal was broken. And quite frankly, to me the most frightening thing is not only was the seal broken, lock broken, but the soldiers left after opening it up. I mean, to rephrase the so-called pottery barn rule. If you open an arms bunker, you own it. You have to provide security.

AB: I'm -- that raises a number of questions. Let me throw out one. It suggests that maybe they just didn't know what they had?

DK: I think you're quite likely they didn't know they had HMX, which speaks to lack of intelligence given troops moving through that area, but they certainly knew they had explosives. And to put this in context, I think it's important, this loss of 360 tons, but Iraq is awash with tens of thousands of tons of explosives right now in the hands of insurgents because we did not provide the security when we took over the country.

AB: Could you -- I’m trying to stay out of the realm of politics. I'm not sure you can.

DK: So am I.

AB: I know. It's a little tricky here. But, is there any -- is there any reason not to have anticipated the fact that there would be bunkers like this, explosives like this, and a need to secure them?

DK: Absolutely not. For example, al Qaqaa was a site of Gerald Bull's super gun project. It was a team of mine that discovered the HMX originally in 1991. That was one of the most well-documented explosive sites in all of Iraq. The other 80 or so major ammunition storage points were also well documented. Iraq had, and it's a frightening number, two-thirds of the total conventional explosives that the US has in its entire inventory. The country was an armed camp.

AB: David, as quickly as you can, because this just came up in the last hour, as dangerous as this stuff is, this would not be described as a WMD, correct?

DK: Oh absolutely not.

AB: Thank you.

DK: And, in fact, the loss of it is not a proliferation issue.

AB: Okay. It's just dangerous and its out there and by your thinking it should have been secured.

DK: Well look, it was used to bring the Pan Am flight down. It's a very dangerous explosive, particularly in the hands of terrorists.

AB: David, thank you for walking me through this. I appreciate it, David Kay the former head US weapons inspector in Iraq


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alqaqaa; hmx; iraq; qaqaa; rdx
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Actually, this doesn't have much to do with talkingpointsmemo.com, it's just my way of pulling a transcript off of a site that is not interested in the truth.

Note that Aaron shows David Kay a video of an IAEA seal on a bunker and gets him to agree that it is an IAEA seal. Then he asks what else would be behined an IAEA seal. Kay of course says it could only be RDX and HMX. Then he shows pictures of some barrels of explosives, and gets David Kay to make the leap that that is HMX or RDX.

However, the video that these pictures were taken from (http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/content/special.php?Art_ID=159670&Format_ID=2&BitRate_ID=8&Contract_ID=712&Obj_ID=3) tell you that they searched one bunker that was not under IAEA seal and then looked at another bunker with an IAEA seal that they were not able to get into (due to the IAEA seal and lock). The soldier does climb halfway into a vent on the IAEA bunker, but never says what he sees, if anything.

So, CNN had to know that the barrels they were showing were from a different bunker than the one with the IAEA seal.

David Kay also had to know that the barrels were from a different bunker, because he admitted to watching the video (saying how it was clearer in the video than the snaphosts).

David Kay, as a weapons inspector, has to know that the explosives label 1.1D covers about 70 different explosives, including gun powder. Thus he has to know that he cannot make an absolute statement that it was either HMX or RDX.

The key to this story would be for some reporter who is actually interested in reporting to ask:


1 posted on 10/28/2004 11:01:24 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11

I'm having a little trouble following you, but I hope you're right that Kaye has been misled in some way. I'd like to see this boiled down to a simple sound bite or talking point that we can deploy over the weekend. Tuesday can't come fast enough. Luckily I don't think many average voters are paying close attention to this one -- just more campaign noise.


2 posted on 10/28/2004 11:13:52 PM PDT by MohawkDrums
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To: rocklobster11
Actually, this doesn't have much to do with talkingpointsmemo.com, it's just my way of pulling a transcript off of a site that is not interested in the truth.

What??? I thought for a fleeting moment that Marshall -- the anti-Taranto -- had an ethics attack that caused him to set aside his 'rat status in the interest of truthful journalism.

Not good form, lobster.

3 posted on 10/28/2004 11:16:16 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (FR got Rather and CBS. Drudge got Halperin and ABC. Be afraid, Tom Brokaw -- be very afraid.)
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To: MohawkDrums
for a better explanation, see: http://wizbangblog.com/. He is covering this well. Particularly:

http://wizbangblog.com/archives/004111.php

and http://wizbangblog.com/archives/004107.php

although this one is good too:

http://wizbangblog.com/archives/004108.php

4 posted on 10/28/2004 11:17:23 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: L.N. Smithee

sorry, it's just the first place I could find the transcript.


5 posted on 10/28/2004 11:18:21 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11
Darn it I can't get the video here! So what the GI's were handling...the powder..wasn't RDX/HMX?

Also "this would not be described as a WMD, correct? "

As an American to be on the receiving end of what the stuff was to become: SADDAM'S ARAB NUCLEAR BOMB I find disagreement to that statement. Same with all the computers, CNC machines and switches used fro nuclear device construction. It is ALL WMD! And Americans were the target! Be glad Saddam doesn't have this stuff - he started in the 70's

6 posted on 10/28/2004 11:20:11 PM PDT by endthematrix (10 out of 10 terrorists agree-Anybody but Bush!)
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To: rocklobster11
"he cannot make an absolute statement that it was either HMX or RDX. "

An IAEA tag was used for sealing only the HMX/RDX I thought.

7 posted on 10/28/2004 11:23:34 PM PDT by endthematrix (10 out of 10 terrorists agree-Anybody but Bush!)
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To: rocklobster11

All explosives will be listed as Class 1. In addition, they will have a division number, a compatibility number, a UN number and a proper shipping name. Typical explosives for demining can be as follows:

Classification UN Number Proper Shipping Name/Description
1.1 D UN No. 0084 Explosives, blasting, Type D
(e.g., PE4, C4 or similar high explosives)
1.1 D UN No. 0027 Black powder granular, or as meal
1.1 D UN No. 0059 Charges, shaped, without detonator
1.1 D UN No. 0065 Cord, detonating flexible
1.4 S UN No. 0105 Fuse, safety
1.1 B UN No. 0029 Detonators, non-electric, for blasting
(e.g., blasting cap to be crimped on a safety fuse)
1.1 B UN No. 0030 Detonators, electric, for blasting
1.4 B UN No. 0255 Detonators, electric, for blasting
1.4 S UN No. 0456 Detonators, electric, for blasting
1.1 B UN No. 0360 Detonator, assemblies, non-electric, for blasting
1.4 S UN No. 0500 Detonator, assemblies, non-electric, for blasting
1.4 S UN No. 0441 Charges, shaped, without detonator

Table 4: Classification of typical explosives for demining.


8 posted on 10/28/2004 11:26:41 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: endthematrix

The IAEA tag was only on a bunker they didn't go into. And the explosives were only in the bunker they did go into, which was not an IAEA bunker.


9 posted on 10/28/2004 11:27:27 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: endthematrix

Yes, but the question is whether or not those barrels in the video were being stored inside a bunker that was sealed by the IAEA... after watching the video, when they start cutting the chain, you can clearly see that there is no IAEA seal on the door.

This reporter passed off the video of the barrels as being inside a bunker that was sealed by the IAEA, when in fact, the bunker they were stored in was not sealed at all. A simple and trivial deception.


10 posted on 10/28/2004 11:30:59 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: Howlin
Note that there is not a visible UN # 0084 to denote high explosives instead of det cord or black powder (see chart in post #8)...


11 posted on 10/28/2004 11:34:12 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: rocklobster11
I have looked at the vid a dozen times, and when the soldier lifted the lid on the afore mentioned barrel that Kay said was HMX or RDX, it showed some smallish wrapped packages in what looked like straw.

That is what I saw and that is NOT what we are looking for.

The stuff we want is raw bulk containers full of powder. It would not be in individually wrapped packaging.

My guess would be more processed explosives like the mining boosters and charges.

The IAEA can verify this, but I doubt they will. (since they started this BS)

12 posted on 10/28/2004 11:36:09 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: endthematrix
An IAEA tag was used for sealing only the HMX/RDX I thought.

Presumably IAEA tags were only used for HMX/RDX at Al QaQa (note that Kay qualifies this in the transcript), BUT...

1. They didn't enter the sealed bunker
2. It could have been another site. The photo could have been taken at nearby Tuwaitha, where the 500 tons of Uranium was located. I assume that the Uranium would have been sealed.
13 posted on 10/28/2004 11:39:15 PM PDT by igoramus987
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To: Buckhead
UN No. Generic desciption HazCat
0004 Ammonium Picrate, dry or wetted with less than 10% water, by mass 1.1D
0005 Cartridges for weapons, with bursting charge 1.1F
0006 Cartridges for weapons, with bursting charge 1.1E
0007 Cartridges for weapons, with bursting charge 1.2F
0009 Ammunition, Incendiary, with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.2G
0010 Ammunition, Incendiary, with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.3G
0012 Cartridges for weapons, Inert projectile or cartridges, small arms 1.4S
0014 Cartridges for weapons, blank or cartridges, small arms, blank 1.4S
0015 Ammunition, Smoke, with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.2G
0016 Ammunition, Smoke, with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.3G
0018 Ammunition, Tear-producing with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.2G
0019 Ammunition, Tear-producing with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.3G
0020 Ammunition, Toxic with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.2K
0021 Ammunition, Toxic with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.3K
0027 Black Powder (Gunpowder) granular or as a meal 1.1D
0028 Black Powder (Gunpowder), Compressed or Black Powder (Gunpowder), in pellets 1.1D
0029 Detonators, Non-electric, for blasting 1.1B
0030 Detonators, Electric, for blasting 1.1B
0033 Bombs with bursting charge 1.1F
0034 Bombs with bursting charge 1.1D
0035 Bombs with bursting charge 1.2D
0037 Bombs, Photo-flash 1.1F
0038 Bombs, Photo-flash 1.1D
0039 Bombs, Photo-flash 1.2G
0042 Boosters without detonator 1.1D
0043 Bursters, explosive 1.1D
0044 Primers, cap type 1.4S
0048 Charges, demolition 1.1D
0049 Cartridges, flash 1.1G
0050 Cartridges, flash 1.3G
0054 Cartridges, signal 1.3G
0055 Cases, Cartridge, empty, with primer 1.4S
0056 Charges, Depth 1.1D
0059 Charges, Shaped, Commercial without detonator 1.1D
0060 Charges, Supplementary, explosive 1.1D
0065 Cord, Detonating, flexible 1.1D
0066 Cord, Igniter 1.4G
0070 Cutters, Cable, Explosive 1.4S
0072 Cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine (Cyclonite; Hexogen; RDX), wetted with not less than15% water, by mass 1.1D
0073 Detonators for ammunition 1.1B
0074 Diazodinitrophenol, wetted with not less than 40% water, or mixture of alcohol and water, by mass 1.1A
0075 Diethyleneglycol dinitrate, desensitised with not less than 25% non-volatile, water-insoluble phlegmatiser by mass 1.1D
0076 Dinitrophenol, dry or wetted with less than 15% water, by mass 1.1D
0077 Dinitrophenolates, alkali metals, dry or wetted with less than 15% water, by mass 1.3C
0078 Dinitroresorcinol, dry or wetted with less than 15% water, by mass 1.1D
0079 Hexanitrodiphenylamine (Dipicrylamine; Hexyl) 1.1D
0081 Explosive, Blasting, Type A 1.1D
0082 Explosive, Blasting, Type B 1.1D
0083 Explosive, Blasting, Type C 1.1D
0084 Explosive, Blasting, Type D 1.1D
0092 Flares, Surface 1.3G
0093 Flares, aerial 1.3G
0094 Flash Powder 1.1G
0099 Fracturing devices, Explosive, without detonator, for oil wells 1.1D
0101 Fuse, Instantaneous, Non-detonating (Quickmatch) 1.3G
0102 Cord (Fuse), Detonating, metal clad 1.2D
0103 Fuse, Igniter, tubular, metal clad 1.4G
0104 Cord (Fuse), Detonating, mild effect, metal clad 1.4D
0105 Fuse, Safety 1.4S
0106 Fuzes, Detonating 1.1B
0107 Fuzes, Detonating 1.2B
0110 Grenades, Practice, hand or rifle 1.4S
0113 Guanyl nitrosaminoguanylidene Hydrazine, Wetted with not less than 30% water, by mass 1.1A
0114 Guanyl nitrosaminoguanyltetrazene (Tetrazene), wetted with not less than 30% water, or mixture of alcohol and water, by mass 1.1A
0118 Hexolite, dry or wetted with less than 15% water, by mass 1.1D
0121 Igniters 1.1G
0124 Jet Perforating Guns, Charged, Oil well, without detonator 1.1D
0129 Lead Azide, Wetted with not less than 20% water, or mixture of alcohol and water, by mass 1.1A
0130 Lead Styphnate (Lead Trinitroresorcinate), wetted with not less than 20% water, or mixture of alcohol and water, by mass 1.1A
0131 Lighters, Fuse 1.4S
0132 Deflagrating metal salts of aromatic nitroderivatives, N.O.S 1.3C
0133 Mannitol Hexanitrate (Nitromannite), wetted with not less than 40% water, or mixture of alcohol and water, by mass 1.1D
0135 Mercury Fulminate, wetted with not less than 20% water, or mixture of alcohol and water, by mass 1.1A
0136 Mines with bursting charge 1.1F
0137 Mines with bursting charge 1.1D
0138 Mines with bursting charge 1.2D
0143 Nitroglycerine, desensitised with not less than 40% non-volatile water-insoluble phlegmatiser, by mass 1.1D
0144 Nitroglycerine solution in Alcohol with more than 1% but not more than 10% nitroglycerine 1.1D
0146 Nitrostarch, dry or wetted with less than 20% water, by mass 1.1D
0147 Nitro urea 1.1D
0150 Pentaerythrite tetranitrate (Pentaerythritol tetranitrate; PETN) wetted with not less than 25% water, by mass, or Pentaerythrite tetranitrate (Pentaerythritol Tetranitrate; PETN), desensitised with not less than 15% phlegmatiser, by mass 1.1D
0151 Pentolite, dry or wetted with less than 15% water, by mass 1.1D
0153 Trinitroaniline (Picramide) 1.1D
0154 Trinitrophenol (picric acid), dry, or wetted with less than 30% water, by mass 1.1D
0155 Trinitrochlorobenzene (Picryl chloride) 1.1D
0158 *  Potassium salts of aromatic nitro-derivatives, explosive 1.3C
0159 Powder cake (powder paste), wetted with not less than 25% water, by mass 1.3C
0160 Powder, smokeless 1.1C
0161 Powder, smokeless 1.3C
0167 Projectiles, with bursting charge 1.1F
0168 Projectiles, with bursting charge 1.1D
0169 Projectiles, with bursting charge 1.2D
0171 Ammunition, Illuminating, with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.2G
0173 Release devices, explosive 1.4S
0174 Rivets, explosive 1.4S
0180 Rockets, with bursting charge 1.1F
0181 Rockets, with bursting charge 1.1E
0182 Rockets, with bursting charge 1.2E
0183 Rockets with inert head 1.3C
0186 Rocket motors 1.3C
0190 Samples, explosive, other than initiating explosive -
0191 Signal devices, hand 1.4G
0192 Signals, Railway track, explosive 1.1G
0193 Signals, Railway track, explosive 1.4S
0194 Signals, distress, ship 1.1G
0195 Signals, distress, ship 1.3G
0196 Signals, smoke 1.1G
0197 Signals, smoke 1.4G
0203 *  Sodium salts of aromatic nitro-derivatives, NOS, explosive 1.3C
0204 Sounding devices, explosive 1.2F
0207 Tetranitroaniline 1.1D
0208 Trinitrophenylmethylnitramine 1.1D
0209 Trinitrotoluene (TNT), dry, or wetted with less than 30% water, by mass 1.1D
0212 Tracers for ammunition 1.3G
0213 Trinitroanisole 1.1D
0214 Trinitrobenzene, dry, or wetted with less than 30% water, by mass 1.1D
0215 Trinitrobenzoic acid, dry or wetted with less than 30% water, by mass 1.1D
0216 Trinitro-m-cresol 1.1D
0217 Trinitronapthalene 1.1D
0218 Trinitrophenetole 1.1D
0219 Trinitroresorcinol (Styphnic acid), dry, or wetted with less than 20% water, or mixture of alcohol and water, by mass 1.1D
0220 Urea nitrate, dry, or wetted with less than 20% water, by mass 1.1D
0221 Warheads, Torpedo, with bursting charge 1.1D
0222 Ammonium nitrate, with more than 0.2% combustible substances, including any organic substance calculated as carbon, to the exclusion of any other added substance 1.1D
0223 Ammonium nitrate fertiliser, which is more liable to explode than ammonium nitrate with more than 0.2% combustible substances, including any organic substance calculated as carbon, to the exclusion of any other added substance 1.1D
0224 Barium azide, dry or wetted with less than 50% water, by mass 1.1A
0225 Boosters with detonator 1.1B
0226 Cyclotetramethylenetetranitramine (HMX, Octogen), wetted with not less than 15% water, by mass 1.1D
0234 Sodium dinitro-o-cresolate, dry, or wetted with less than 15% water, by mass 1.3C
0235 Sodium picramate, dry, or wetted with less than 20% water, by mass 1.3C
0236 Zirconium picramate, dry, or wetted with less than 20% water, by mass. 1.3C
0237 Charges, shaped, flexible, linear 1.4D
0238 Rockets, line-throwing 1.2G
0240 Rockets, line-throwing 1.3G
0241 Explosive, blasting, type E 1.1D
0242 Charges, propelling, for cannon 1.3C
0243 Ammunition, Incendiary, White phosphorous with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.2H
0244 Ammunition, Incendiary, White phosphorous with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.3H
0245 Ammunition, Smoke, White phosphorous with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.2H
0246 Ammunition, Smoke, White phosphorous with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.3H
0247 Ammunition, Incendiary, liquid or gel, with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.3J
0248 Contrivances, Water-Activated with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.2L
0249 Contrivances, Water-Activated with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.3L
0250 Rocket Motors with Hypergolic Liquids with or without expelling charge 1.3L
0254 Ammunition, Illuminating with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.3G
0255 Detonators, electric, for blasting 1.4B
0257 Fuzes, Detonating 1.4B
0266 Octolite (Octol), dry or wetted with less than 15% water, by mass 1.1D
0267 Detonators, non-electric, for blasting 1.4B
0268 Boosters with detonator 1.2B
0271 Charges, propelling 1.1C
0272 Charges, propelling 1.3C
0275 Cartridges, Power device 1.3C
0276 Cartridges, Power device 1.4C
0277 Cartridges, Oil well 1.3C
0278 Cartridges, Oil well 1.4C
0279 Charges, Propelling, for cannon 1.1C
0280 Rocket Motors 1.1C
0281 Rocket Motors 1.2C
0282 Nitroguanidine (Picrite), dry or wetted with less than 20% water, by mass 1.1D
0283 Boosters, without detonator 1.2D
0284 Grenades, hand or rifle, with bursting charge 1.1D
0285 Grenades, hand or rifle, with bursting charge 1.2D
0286 Warheads, Rocket, with bursting charge 1.1D
0287 Warheads, Rocket, with bursting charge 1.2D
0288 Charges, shaped, flexible, linear 1.1D
0289 Cord, detonating, flexible 1.4D
0290 Cord (fuse), detonating, metal clad 1.1D
0291 Bombs, with bursting charge 1.2F
0292 Grenades, hand or rifle, with bursting charge 1.1F
0293 Grenades, hand or rifle, with bursting charge 1.2F
0294 Mines, with bursting charge 1.2F
0295 Rockets, with bursting charge 1.2F
0296 Sounding devices, explosive 1.1F
0297 Ammunition, Illuminating, with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.4G
0299 Bombs, photo-flash 1.3G
0300 Ammunition, Incendiary, with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.4G
0301 Ammunition, tear-producing, with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.4G
0303 Ammunition, Smoke, with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge 1.4G
0305 Flash powder 1.3G
0306 Tracers for ammunition 1.4G
0312 Cartridges, signal 1.4G
0313 Signals, smoke 1.2G
0314 Igniters 1.2G
0315 Igniters 1.3G
0316 Fuzes, igniting 1.3G
0317 Fuzes, igniting 1.4G
0318 Grenades, practice, hand or rifle 1.3G
0319 Primers, tubular 1.3G
0320 Primers, tubular 1.4G
0321 Cartridges for weapons, with bursting charge 1.2E
0322 Rocket motors with hypergolic liquids with or without expelling charge 1.2L
0323 Cartridges, Power device 1.4S
0324 Projectiles, with bursting charge 1.2F
0325 Igniters 1.4G
0326 Cartridges for weapons, blank 1.1C
0327 Cartridges for weapons, blank or Cartridges, Small arms, blank 1.3C
0328 Cartridges for weapons, inert projectile 1.2C
0329 Torpedoes, with bursting charge 1.1E
0330 Torpedoes with bursting charge 1.1F
0331 Explosive, Blasting, Type B 1.5D
0332 Explosive, Blasting, Type E 1.5D
0333 Fireworks 1.1G
0334 Fireworks 1.2G
0335 Fireworks 1.3G
0336 Fireworks 1.4G
0337 Fireworks 1.4S
0338 Cartridges for weapons, blank or Cartridges, Small arms, blank 1.4C
0339 Cartridges for weapons, inert projectile or Cartridges, Small arms 1.4C
0340 Nitrocellulose, dry or wetted with less than 25% water (or alcohol), by mass 1.1D
0341 Nitrocellulose, unmodified, or plasticised with less than 18% plasticising substance, by mass 1.1D
0342 Nitrocellulose, wetted with not less than 25% alcohol, by mass 1.3C
0343 Nitrocellulose, plasticised with not less than 18% plasticising substance, by mass 1.3C
0344 Projectiles, with bursting charge 1.4D
0345 Projectiles, Inert, with tracer 1.4S
0346 Projectiles with burster or expelling charge 1.2D
0347 Projectiles with burster or expelling charge 1.4D
0348 Cartridges for weapons, with bursting charge 1.4F
0349 Articles, Explosive, NOS 1.4S
0350 Articles, Explosive, NOS 1.4B
0351 Articles, Explosive, NOS 1.4C
0352 Articles, Explosive, NOS 1.4D
0353 Articles, Explosive, NOS 1.4G
0354 Articles, Explosive, NOS 1.1L
0355 Articles, Explosive, NOS 1.2L
0356 Articles, Explosive, NOS 1.3L
0357 Substances, Explosive, NOS 1.1L
0358 Substances, Explosive, NOS 1.2L
0359 Substances, Explosive, NOS 1.3L
0360 Detonator assemblies, non-electric, for blasting 1.1B
0361 Detonator assemblies, non-electric, for blasting 1.4B
0362 Ammunition, Practice 1.4G
0363 Ammunition, Proof 1.4G
0364 Detonators for ammunition 1.2B
0365 Detonators for ammunition 1.4B
0366 Detonators for ammunition 1.4S
0367 Fuzes, Detonating 1.4S
0368 Fuzes, igniting 1.4S
0369 Warheads, Rocket, with bursting charge 1.1F
0370 Warheads, Rocket, with burster or expelling charge 1.4D
0371 Warheads, Rocket, with burster or expelling charge 1.4F
0372 Grenades, Practice, hand or rifle 1.2G
0373 Signal Devices, Hand 1.4S
0374 Sounding Devices, Explosive 1.1D
0375 Sounding Devices, Explosive 1.2D
0376 Primers, Tubular 1.4S
0377 Primers, Cap type 1.1B
0378 Primers, Cap type 1.4B
0379 Cases, Cartridge, empty, with primer 1.4C
0380 Articles, pyrophoric 1.2L
0381 Cartridges, Power device 1.2C
0382 Components, Explosive train, NOS 1.2B
0383 Components, Explosive train, NOS 1.4B
0384 Components, Explosive train, NOS 1.4S
0385 5-Nitrobenzotriazol 1.1D
0386 Trinitrobenzenesulphonic Acid 1.1D
0387 Trinitrofluorenone 1.1D
0388 Trinitrotoluene (TNT) and Trinitrobenzene mixtures or Trinitrotoluene (TNT) and Hexanitrostilbene mixture 1.1D
0389 Trinitrotoluene (TNT) mixtures containing Trinitrobenzene and Hexanitrostilbene 1.1D
0390 Tritonal 1.1D
0391 Cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine (Cyclonite; hexogen; RDX) and Cyclotetramethylenetetranitramine (HMX; Octogen) mixtures, wetted with not less than15% water, by mass or Cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine (Cyclonite; Hexogen; RDX) and Cyclotetramethylenetetranitramine (HMX; Octogen) mixtures desensitised with not less than 10% phlegmatiser, by mass 1.1D
0392 Hexanitrostilbene 1.1D
0393 Hexatonal, cast 1.1D
0394 Trinitroresorcinol (Styphnic Acid) wetted with not less than 20% water, or mixture of alcohol and water, by mass 1.1D
0395 Rocket motors, liquid fuelled 1.2J
0396 Rocket motors, liquid fuelled 1.3J
0397 Rockets, liquid fuelled, with bursting charge 1.1J
0398 Rockets, liquid fuelled, with bursting charge 1.2J
0399 Bombs with flammable liquid, with bursting charge 1.1J
0400 Bombs with flammable liquid, with bursting charge 1.2J
0401 Dipicryl sulphide, dry or wetted with less than 10% water, by mass 1.1D
0402 Ammonium perchlorate 1.1D
0403 Flares, aerial 1.4G
0404 Flares, aerial 1.4S
0405 Cartridges, signal 1.4S
0406 Dinitrosobenzene 1.3C
0407 Tetrazol-1-acetic acid 1.4C
0408 Fuzes, detonating with protective features 1.1D
0409 Fuzes, detonating with protective features 1.2D
0410 Fuzes, detonating with protective features 1.4D
0411 Pentaerythrite tetranitrate (pentaerythritol tetranitrate; PETN) with not less than 7% wax, by mass 1.1D
0412 Cartridges for weapons, with bursting charge 1.4E
0413 Cartridges for weapons, blank 1.2C
0414 Charges, propelling, for cannon 1.2C
0415 Charges, propelling 1.2C
0417 Cartridges for weapons, inert projectile, or cartridges, small arms 1.3C
0418 Flares, surface 1.1G
0419 Flares, surface 1.2G
0420 Flares, aerial 1.1G
0421 Flares, aerial 1.2G
0424 Projectiles, inert with tracer 1.3G
0425 Projectiles, inert with tracer 1.4G
0426 Projectiles, with burster or expelling charge 1.2F
0427 Projectiles, with burster or expelling charge 1.4F
0428 Articles, pyrotechnic, for technical purposes 1.2G
0429 Articles, pyrotechnic, for technical purposes – Haz Cat NK – Not in UN list – reputed to be 1.2G  
0430 Articles, pyrotechnic, for technical purposes 1.3G
0431 Articles, pyrotechnic, for technical purposes 1.4G
0432 Articles, pyrotechnic, for technical purposes 1.4S
0433 Powder cake (powder paste) wetted with not less than 17% alcohol, by mass 1.1C
0434 Projectiles, with burster or expelling charge 1.2G
0435 Projectiles, with burster or expelling charge 1.4G
0436 Rockets, with expelling charge 1.2C
0437 Rockets, with expelling charge 1.3C
0438 Rockets, with expelling charge 1.4C
0439 Charges, shaped, commercial, without detonator 1.2D
0440 Charges, shaped, commercial, without detonator 1.4D
0441 Charges, shaped, commercial, without detonator 1.4S
0442 Charges, explosive, commercial, without detonator 1.1D
0443 Charges, explosive, commercial, without detonator 1.2D
0444 Charges, explosive, commercial, without detonator 1.4D
0445 Charges, explosive, commercial, without detonator 1.4S
0446 Cases, combustible, empty, without primer 1.4C
0447 Cases, combustible, empty, without primer 1.3C
0448 5-mercaptotetrazol-1-acetic acid 1.4C
0449 Torpedoes, liquid fuelled, with or without bursting charge 1.1J
0450 Torpedoes, liquid fuelled, with inert head 1.3J
0451 Torpedoes, with bursting charge 1.1D
0452 Grenades, practice, hand or rifle 1.4G
0453 Rockets, line-throwing 1.4G
0454 Igniters 1.4S
0455 Detonators, non-electric, for blasting 1.4S
0456 Detonators, electric, for blasting 1.4S
0457 Charges, bursting, plastic bonded 1.1D
0458 Charges, bursting, plastic bonded 1.2D
0459 Charges, bursting, plastic bonded 1.4D
0460 Charges, bursting, plastic bonded 1.4S
0461 Components, explosive train, NOS 1.1B
0462 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.1C
0463 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.1D
0464 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.1E
0465 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.1F
0466 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.2C
0467 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.2D
0468 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.2E
0469 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.2F
0470 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.3C
0471 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.4E
0472 Articles, explosive, NOS 1.4F
0473 Substances, explosive, NOS 1.1A
0474 Substances, explosive, NOS 1.1C
0475 Substances, explosive, NOS 1.1D
0476 Substances, explosive, NOS 1.1G
0477 Substances, explosive, NOS 1.3C
0478 Substances, explosive, NOS 1.3G
0479 Substances, explosive, NOS 1.4C
0480 Substances, explosive, NOS 1.4D
0481 Substances, explosive, NOS 1.4S
0482 Substances, explosive, very insensitive (Substances, EVI), NOS 1.5D
0483 Cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine (Cyclonite; hexogen; RDX), desensitised 1.1D
0484 Cyclotetramethylenetetranitramine (HMX; Octogen), desensitised 1.1D
0485 Substances, explosive, NOS 1.4G
0486 Articles, explosive, extremely insensitive (Articles, EEI) 1.6N
0487 Signals, smoke 1.3G
0488 Ammunition, practice 1.3G
0489 Dinitroglycoluril, (Dingu) 1.1D
0490 Dinitrotriazolone (NTO) 1.1D
0491 Charges, propelling 1.4C
0492 Signals, Railway track, Explosive 1.3G
0493 Signals, Railway track, Explosive 1.4G
0494 Jet perforating guns, charged, oil well, without detonator 1.4D
0495 Propellant, liquid 1.3C
0496 Octonal 1.1D
0497 Propellant, liquid 1.1C
0498 Propellant, solid 1.1C
0499 Propellant, liquid 1.3C
0500 Propellant, solid 1.4S
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14 posted on 10/28/2004 11:41:25 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: oolatec
There is IAEA video of that stockpile as well. I haven't heard anything on that and it would be apparent as to what the inventory looked like. Kay said that the tubes of HMX at one time was packaged like that, and for a reason (powder form) that is not to say that Iraq had other powder explosives packaged in that manner.

I want to see two things: IAEA video of the inventory and classified US satellite imagery of those convoys moving WMD to Syria.

15 posted on 10/28/2004 11:42:30 PM PDT by endthematrix (10 out of 10 terrorists agree-Anybody but Bush!)
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To: rocklobster11

If Saddam left the RDX/HDX in the bunkers, then what did the Heavy Trucks in the satellite photos take away? If I were Saddam, I would have taken away the WMDs first.


16 posted on 10/28/2004 11:48:30 PM PDT by igoramus987
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To: blam

For whatever it's worth, Sodium dinitro-o-cresolate, UN number 0234, is not only an explosive, but used as a Russian herbicide.

Hey! What # did the American troops inspecting those barrels write in that photo?

17 posted on 10/28/2004 11:49:16 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: All

The captainsquaters covers this well I think.
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com
The NYT article based on the ABC video admits, after about 15 paragraphs, that they can't even comfirm this was Qa Qaa. This whole story is as biased as the rest of the explosives information from the left. In other words, unproven. Kerry thinks that he should be able to say what he wants and the President should have to prove it isn't true. He said that today!! What jerks...anyway read the article on Captains Quarters and see what you think...


18 posted on 10/28/2004 11:52:42 PM PDT by calex59
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To: igoramus987
That would have been stock footage of an IAEA seal at Tuwaitha, I thought all uranium was transfered out.

Also I read that at one time some RDX/HMX was to be transfered to an other secured facility by the IAEA. Was it?

sidebar: What of the RDX being stored at the Al Hatteen State Establishment?
19 posted on 10/28/2004 11:52:59 PM PDT by endthematrix (10 out of 10 terrorists agree-Anybody but Bush!)
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To: rocklobster11
"if anything at Al QaQaa was ever destroyed by US troops"

That's odd that nobody's asked what % of the total stuff at Al=QaQaa has been blown up. 240,000 tons destryed in Iraq, but somehow we know that the 377 tons (or) 240 or 180 or 3 or whatever were NOT destroyed. How can McKay be so sure? Why doesn't he say?

20 posted on 10/28/2004 11:57:11 PM PDT by cookcounty (WWW-Will John Kerry seek a 4th Purple Heart for fingers burnt in the Battle of Al-Qa Qaa?)
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