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CBS Flashback 04-04-03: U.S. Searches 'Suspicious' Iraqi Site
CBS News ^ | April 4, 2003

Posted on 10/26/2004 1:04:34 PM PDT by Ditto

U.S. troops found thousands of boxes of white powder, nerve agent antidote and Arabic documents on how to engage in chemical warfare at an industrial site south of Baghdad. But a senior U.S. official familiar with initial testing said the materials were believed to be explosives.

Col. John Peabody, engineer brigade commander of the 3rd Infantry Division, said the materials were found Friday at the Latifiyah industrial complex just south of Baghdad.

"It is clearly a suspicious site," Peabody said.

CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin reports that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction continues at sites where the U.S. thought chemicals weapons might be hidden.

"And although there are no reports of actual weapons being found, there are constant finds of suspicious material," Martin said. "It obviously will take laboratory testing to find out exactly what that powder is."

The senior U.S. official, based in Washington and speaking on condition of anonymity, said the material was under further study. The site is enormous and U.S. troops are still investigating it for potential weapons of mass destruction, the official said.

"Initial reports are that the material is probably just explosives, but we're still going through the place," the official said.

Peabody said troops found thousands of boxes, each of which contained three vials of white powder, together with documents written in Arabic that dealt with how to engage in chemical warfare.

He also said they discovered atropine, used to counter the effects of nerve agents.

The facility had been identified by the International Atomic Energy Agency as a suspected chemical, biological and nuclear weapons site. U.N. inspectors visited the plant at least nine times, including as recently as Feb. 18.

The facility is part of a larger complex known as the Latifiyah Explosives and Ammunition Plant al Qa Qaa.

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Continued here http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/04/iraq/main547667.shtml


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alqaqaa; ammogate; explosives
No mention of HDX.
1 posted on 10/26/2004 1:04:35 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto

Al QaQa al the time.


2 posted on 10/26/2004 1:05:54 PM PDT by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: Ditto

Back then, they were trying to nail the Bush administration by witnessing the fact that no WMD were found. If the US did run across the 380 tons, it would have been called "just explosives".


3 posted on 10/26/2004 1:06:39 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (How do you ask a goose to be the last goose to die for the Kerry campaign?)
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To: js1138

Anyone have any idea what they ultimately determined this white powder to be?.... and no it wasn't Hudai's coke stash


4 posted on 10/26/2004 1:08:23 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Ditto
Well, all right then.

Did we mention Bush was AWOL from the National Guard?

5 posted on 10/26/2004 1:08:24 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh/Loves John Kerry so vote him in!)
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To: js1138

The relevant point is that the article says they were contiuing to search, The MSNBC lady said she saw no one searching the site...this article written at the time seems to dsipute her contention.


6 posted on 10/26/2004 1:08:36 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: Ditto
Sit on this and rotate Kerry...You despicable bastard.
7 posted on 10/26/2004 1:08:52 PM PDT by DSBull (Liberal logic: the most mutually exclusive words in the universe!)
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To: Ditto
Sit on this and rotate Kerry...You despicable bastard.
8 posted on 10/26/2004 1:08:55 PM PDT by DSBull (Liberal logic: the most mutually exclusive words in the universe!)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

As someone wrote on another thread, it would be interesting to find out what Col. John Peabody has to say about their find.


9 posted on 10/26/2004 1:09:46 PM PDT by Piranha
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To: Ditto

Seems to me the ammo dump story is pretty weak for Kerry. I know people are dumb, but the election will be decided because some explosives are missing from one Iraqi arms depot? I think not.


10 posted on 10/26/2004 1:10:21 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Ditto

A most excellent find, Ditto!


11 posted on 10/26/2004 1:11:39 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
In further news, our investigative reporters have discovered that V.P. Cheney's daughter is a lesbian which means that the VP must be receiving kickbacks from Halliburton.
12 posted on 10/26/2004 1:12:09 PM PDT by DSBull (Liberal logic: the most mutually exclusive words in the universe!)
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To: Ditto

I've lost my place for everything I've read and looked at today, but one of the pieces described the HDX as white powder. This CBS story from 2003 supports the notion that the stuff was there when we went in.....


13 posted on 10/26/2004 1:14:00 PM PDT by Another Thought
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Did we mention Bush was AWOL from the National Guard?

And that he murdered Paul Wellstone?

And that he was complicit in 9-11?

(And those are just the new news stories THIS AFTERNOON!!!)

14 posted on 10/26/2004 1:14:14 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
EXACTLY!! You took the words from me.
All these news reports exists because the media back then tried to destroy Bush with the "No WMD" stories.
Now they come out and say WMD existed but US military, because of an incompetent Bush, allowed the WMDs to be stolen.

LOL

These people are evil.....and stupid.
15 posted on 10/26/2004 1:14:16 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Ditto

Now add this story that I read on another post and add to this one posted. Voila!

UN INspectors Found Nothing At Al-Qaqaa ON March 8, 2003


Copyright 2003 Valley Daily Bulletin
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin (Ontario, CA)
April 4, 2003 Friday

Troops encounter unknown chemical items

As the military advances closer to Baghdad, signs of Iraqichemical preparedness are multiplying, although there is still no conclusive evidence Saddam Hussein's regime possesses weapons of mass destruction.


On Friday, troops at a training facility in the westernIraqi desert came across a bottle labeled "tabun" a nerve gas and chemical weapon Iraq is banned from possessing.


Closer to Baghdad, troops at Iraq's largest militaryindustrial complex found nerve agent antidotes, documents describing chemical warfare and a white powder that appeared to be used for explosives.



U.N. weapons inspectors went repeatedly to the vast al QaQaa complex most recently on March 8 but found nothing during spot visits to some of the 1,100 buildings at the site 25 miles south of Baghdad.

Col. John Peabody, engineer brigade commander of the 3rdInfantry Division, said troops found thousands of 2-by-5-inch boxes, each containing three vials of white powder, together with documents written in Arabic that dealt with how to engage in chemical warfare.


16 posted on 10/26/2004 1:15:55 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Howlin

>>>And that he murdered Paul Wellstone?<<<

As if I needed another reason to love W!

;^)


17 posted on 10/26/2004 1:17:25 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Howlin
BUSH KNEW!!!!

The Wiley Media is getting their Explosives from ACME!!!

Pray for W and The Election

18 posted on 10/26/2004 1:18:00 PM PDT by bray (Yaawn didn't Marry-up at all)
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To: Another Thought

yes but what stuff.....i have seen nothing describing HDX as white powder


19 posted on 10/26/2004 1:18:14 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: milwguy

I think the reporterette wouldn't know what a search looks like, particularly since troops had been at the site for a week before she got there, and since they were looking for bunkers sealed by the U.N.


20 posted on 10/26/2004 1:20:39 PM PDT by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: Ditto
"Initial reports are that the material is probably just explosives, but we're still going through the place,"

But the NBC producer said the Americans didn't search it (major eye roll).

21 posted on 10/26/2004 1:20:46 PM PDT by Troublemaker
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To: Another Thought

Well we know it was gone by April l0.


22 posted on 10/26/2004 1:22:14 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: Another Thought

"I've lost my place for everything I've read and looked at today, but one of the pieces described the HDX as white powder. This CBS story from 2003 supports the notion that the stuff was there when we went in...."

Actually NBC imbedded reporters at the time reported that when the US forces reached the munitions depot in question, there were NO high explosives found. They were suspected to be there since the UN had said they were there in January '03, but they had been moved already in the run-up to the war.


23 posted on 10/26/2004 1:23:05 PM PDT by RinkRat23
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To: All

Alright folks...very interesting.

There was another article somebody got from Lexis-Nexis and they tried to use it to assert this point...articles at the time showed no weapons were found. But, I don't believe that article because the context was around WMD.

This says all they found was powder and labels/boxes....no explosives, just the powder.

This is a very good find and raises further doubt at the story.


24 posted on 10/26/2004 1:23:11 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

He was Awol PLUS he is secretly planning to bring back the draft.


25 posted on 10/26/2004 1:23:41 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Agreed. But, this just refers to powder.


26 posted on 10/26/2004 1:23:48 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: rwfromkansas

So was it Talcum Powder for Saddam's baby soft a$$ or what?


27 posted on 10/26/2004 1:25:49 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: rwfromkansas

Right. And the take is, "It's not anthrax powder so it doesn't count."


28 posted on 10/26/2004 1:27:13 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (How do you ask a goose to be the last goose to die for the Kerry campaign?)
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To: DSBull

"Sit on this and rotate Kerry...You despicable bastard."
"Sit on this and rotate Kerry...You despicable bastard."

Normally I would say double post...but it was somehow very satisfying reading that line twice :P


29 posted on 10/26/2004 1:30:50 PM PDT by IMKDnom
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To: All

Drudge@drudgereport.com
MDrudge@aol.com
Rush@eibnet.com
Hannity@foxnews.com

NY Times Public Editor:

E-mail: public@nytimes.com
Phone: (212) 556-7652

David Sanger - New York Times White House Correspondent (HE WROTE THE STORY TODAY CONTINUING THE IGNORING OF THE FACT THAT THEY INSPECTED IT IN 2003 AND FOUND NOTHING...he also was part of the triple-bylined story that came out yesterday):

E-mail: dasang@nytimes.com
Phone: (202) 862-0322
Fax: (202) 862-0340


30 posted on 10/26/2004 1:31:22 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: traderrob6

...Anyone have any idea what they ultimately determined this white powder to be.....

Rush reported a web report from someone who had visited the Holston Ammunition Plant correctly known as the Holston Army Ammunition Plant spoke of cloth rolling bins covered in white powder. His point was that the explosive is extremely stable in the white powdery form and is safely transported in bulk carriers. It is worked as required to make it into a suitable form as required for a specific task.

The report also indicated that to move the explosives would require considerable effort and that in the raw form were virtually useless to the insurgents. They require the further processed material and the fuses etc necessary to detonate.

For the record the HAAP is here where I live and is currently run under contract by BAE, British Aerospace.

It is the only American source for these super high explosives.


31 posted on 10/26/2004 1:31:48 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: traderrob6

...Anyone have any idea what they ultimately determined this white powder to be.....

Rush reported a web report from someone who had visited the Holston Ammunition Plant correctly known as the Holston Army Ammunition Plant spoke of cloth rolling bins covered in white powder. His point was that the explosive is extremely stable in the white powdery form and is safely transported in bulk carriers. It is worked as required to make it into a suitable form as required for a specific task.

The report also indicated that to move the explosives would require considerable effort and that in the raw form were virtually useless to the insurgents. They require the further processed material and the fuses etc necessary to detonate.

For the record the HAAP is here where I live and is currently run under contract by BAE, British Aerospace.

It is the only American source for these super high explosives.


32 posted on 10/26/2004 1:32:39 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: traderrob6

See my post 31


33 posted on 10/26/2004 1:33:20 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: Ditto

Greetings all, Bush needs to hiyas Kerry hard on this story. Fox news says that becauseBush doesn't want to respond to Kerry's remarks, so they can push their message is just wrong. Bush needs to call him on the article for what it is..An election ploy by the NYT that Kerry's misleading the American public....Bush needs to ask Mr. Kerry " Why he doesn't want to believe the men in the 101 Screaming Eagles about the Explosives.". And demeans the Army he wishes to command... God save our soldiers if this Eunuch becomes commander.


34 posted on 10/26/2004 1:33:36 PM PDT by Cutterjohnmhb
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To: traderrob6; All

Lifted from the National Review Online:

Kerry Spot reader Duane writes in: [about HDX]

A key point is that this is not dense stuff, where you can get a lot of weight into a small vehicle. If this was really in its raw form, it is white powder, like cornstarch or a light powdered sugar (NOT granulated sugar). Blow on it and it flies in the breeze- the stories I've seen haven't said much about what form it was in, but you would want it to be relatively raw so you could form it into main charges for artillery, etc. They don't pour granules into shells, it is mixed with binders and melted sonit will take a shape. You can't be a nice terrorist, happen by, stick some in your pocket, and run away while the US Army isn't looking- it isn't "plastic" (like, say, comp C4, which is a plastic matrix impregnated with HE, thus has a lot of filler to make it shapeable). The kinds of trucks you would need to haul it are like grain hoppers, and lots of them. You can't stack it on pallets.


35 posted on 10/26/2004 1:35:05 PM PDT by January24th
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To: Ditto

Note to Kerry, CBS, ABC, NYT, LAT, etc...

Google is your friend!


36 posted on 10/26/2004 1:35:56 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: bert

YOU have hit it on the head, the 'explosive' is the white powder, but in that form is useless to the insurgents. By the NYT standard if they found a supply of ammonia nitrate (fertilzer) they could call that high explosive using the same difinition (this is what tim mcveigh mixed with diesel fuel to blow up the ok city fed building),


37 posted on 10/26/2004 1:36:54 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: traderrob6; milwguy
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To: OXENinFLA

BY nothing, they meant chemical weapons folks. The white powder is the high explosive that the NYT is so up in arms about. Go to Kerry spot and read this article and be informed.........the 'high explosive' the ny times is refering to is not 'plastic' explosive, or even something that you can easily blow up. It is a chemical which, when combined with other chemicals, can be made into things like c-4, etc. This article doesn't prove anything....................this is what the stuff is..............A key point is that this is not dense stuff, where you can get a lot of weight into a small vehicle. If this was really in its raw form, it is white powder, like cornstarch or a light powdered sugar (NOT granulated sugar). Blow on it and it flies in the breeze- the stories I've seen haven't said much about what form it was in, but you would want it to be relatively raw so you could form it into main charges for artillery, etc. They don't pour granules into shells, it is mixed with binders and melted sonit will take a shape. You can't be a nice terrorist, happen by, stick some in your pocket, and run away while the US Army isn't looking- it isn't "plastic" (like, say, comp C4, which is a plastic matrix impregnated with HE, thus has a lot of filler to make it shapeable). The kinds of trucks you would need to haul it are like grain hoppers, and lots of them. You can't stack it on pallets.

49 posted on 10/26/2004 2:54:40 PM CDT by milwguy

38 posted on 10/26/2004 1:47:35 PM PDT by auboy (Ode to Massachusetts: You can have him, we don't want him.)
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To: Another Thought

I link to that 'white powder' story here ...

http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com


39 posted on 10/26/2004 2:04:48 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: snarkytart

OMG......you are so bad!!! That REALLY made me laugh!!!


40 posted on 10/26/2004 4:06:59 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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