We treasure the precious words of Hezbollah and your expression of goodwill toward the American people
How quickly we forget.
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Presbyterian: Muslims easier to deal with than Jews Church elder makes comment during meeting with Hezbollah leader
Posted: October 22, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
An elder in the Presbyterian Church, USA, said during a meeting with a leader of the terrorist group Hezbollah that Muslims are easier to deal with than Jews.
The comment was aired on Arab television and recorded by the Middle East Media Research Institute TV Monitor Project, or MEMRI TV. The meeting with the terrorist – Sheikh Nabil Qauq, the leader of Hezbollah in south Lebanon – occurred Sunday during a visit by a 24-member delegation from the Presbyterian Church, USA. MEMRI has a video clip of part of the meeting on its website.
"As an elder of our church, I'd like to say that according to my recent experience, relations and conversations with Islamic leaders are a lot easier than dealings and dialogue with Jewish leaders," Elder Ronald Stone said during the meeting.
Stone of Pittsburgh, Pa., praised Hezbollah at the meeting, saying, "We treasure the precious words of Hezbollah and your expression of goodwill toward the American people."
Three top church officials responded Wednesday, stating, "The visit to Hezbollah and the comments on that occasion by members of this Presbyterian group do not reflect the official position of the Presbyterian Church."
As WorldNetDaily reported, in July the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church, USA, voted 431-62 to divest from companies that are invested in Israel. The vote set the stage for the church to divest itself from companies that receive $1 million dollars or more in profits per year from investments in Israel or have invested $1 million dollars or more in Israel. PCUSA has foundation and pension funds totaling approximately $7 billion.
The Rev. Nile Harper is head of the Presbyterian delegation to the Middle East.
"The occupation by Israel in the West Bank and Gaza must end because it is oppressive and destructive for the Palestinian people," Harper said in an interview with The Associated Press.
The group also visited Syria and Jordan.
"We are interested in peace and justice for Palestinians as well as in the relationship between Syria and Lebanon and Syria and Israel," delegation coordinator Peter Sulyok is quoted as saying. "We will be looking to see what new initiatives there might be, what possibilities there might be for peace."
Leaders of the Anglican Church, which in the U.S. includes the Episcopal Church, USA, are preparing to follow in the footsteps of the Presbyterians by also divesting from Israel.
The church report recommending divestment, signed by 29 Anglican representatives who toured the Holy Land last month before reaching their decision, will be delivered at a 2005 meeting of the Anglican Consultative Council, to be held in Wales.
The Anti-Defamation League has released a statement saying it was "deeply disturbing that leaders of the Presbyterian Church would seek out a meeting with members of a terrorist organization responsible for attacks that have killed both Americans and Israelis." The group points out Hezbollah is on the U.S. State Department's watchlist of global terrorist organizations.
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL national director, and Rabbi Gary Bretton-Granatoor, ADL director of interfaith affairs, issued a joint statement in response to the visit, saying:
"Coming in an atmosphere where interfaith relations between Presbyterians and Jews have been sorely tested by the church's proposal to disinvest from Israel, it is disturbing that the Presbyterian leaders made the irresponsible decision to meet with Hezbollah, an organization whose self-stated goal is the total destruction of the Jewish State and the establishment of Islamic rule over Jerusalem. It is outrageous that, rather than seeking out moderate voices working for positive change in the Middle East, the Presbyterian leaders decided to seek out the leader of a terrorist organization."
Since its founding in 1982, Hezbollah has been responsible for hundreds of attacks against Israelis and Americans, including the 1983 suicide bomb attack on the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 200. Hezbollah also attacked the Israeli Embassy in Argentina in 1992 and the Israeli cultural center in Buenos Aires in 1994.
The three top Presbyterian Church, USA, officials who disavowed the comments – General Assembly Stated Clerk Clifton Kirkpatrick, General Assembly Council Executive Director John Detterick and General Assembly Moderator Rick Ufford-Chase – noted the church's General Assembly this year denounced terrorism.
The assembly called "terrorism – whether state, group, or individual – immoral because it wrongfully and deliberately attacks innocent civilians," and is "a dead-end alternative to a negotiated settlement of the conflict."
While it is the largest Presbyterian denomination, the PCUSA does not represent all American Presbyterians.
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What an unabashed idiot. This jackass probably thinks the Jews flew the planes into the WTC and the Pentagon on 9/11. Hell, he probably thinks it's the Jews who are beheading civilian workers in Iraq!
Someone kick this stupid bastard in the jewels.
The leftists, with no communism left to apologize for, have turned to apologizing for radical Islam. Looks like the islamofascists have inherited some Useful Idiots.
First of all, Hezbollah has no goodwill; especially not towards the U.S., infidels that we are.
Secondly, shouldn't the new Homeland Security/Patriot Act people be concerned about Americans loving Hezbollah?
Hitler was easy to deal with, so long as you agreed with him.
What an a-hole! It's truly scary how quickly rabid anti-semitism has returned... its barely been 50 years since the holocaust and these people have already forgotten!
Visit your local Presbyterian church - on any given Sunday - especially if you feel the need to be alone with your God!
HAHAHAHAHA!
There's hardly anyone there!
Things are better at our local Episcopal church, since - as the priest explained to me - "There are so many ex-Catholics who belong to this parish because of the Catholic divorce and remarriage laws, that we're guaranteed a good turn out of former Catholics even on snowy Sundays when no self-respecting Episcopalian would venture out!"
It's really funny at the other two local Protestant churches: the First Congregational and the Unitarian church (which split off from the the First Congo back in the 1800s over the doctrine of the Trinity).
What's funny is that BOTH of these churches sport rainbow flags flying from between the white pillars on their facade and both are pastored by gay women pastors. One of my friends who USED to belong to the First Congregationalist calls it "Dueling Rainbows". That's his second choice for a term, however, his wife having vetoed his original quote, "Dueling Dykes"!
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2Pe 2:1 (KLV)
There's already been a civil war in the Presbyterian Church. The PC USA, of which this person is from, is a terribly liberal church - giving money to all kinds of lib causes. Prebyterian Church of America is evangelical. At PCA we revolted so that we could go and hear the Word of God preached on Sunday mornings as opposed to the liberal nonsense many PCUSA churches espouse.
I know your deeds, and your love and faith and service and perseverance, and that your deeds of late are greater than at first. But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.
It's usually easier to deal with someone who plans on stabbing you in the back later anyway. They are much more agreeable.
Please don't lump all Presbyterians together. The Presbyterian Church of America is evangelical and different altogether from the PCUSA that this Stone fellow comes from. As a lifelong Presbyterian who believes in the Calvinist principles the Presbyterians cherish, I despise the PCUSA. It is a liberal organization just like the Democratic Party (or worse). The Presbyterians have a rich heritage that goes back to Scotland, and it's unfortunate what the PCUSA folks have done.
PCUSA -- A Religion of Peace?
We treasure the precious words of Hezbollah and your expression of goodwill toward the American people
How quickly we forget.
Thanks SY for clearing up the differences of the PCUSA and the PCA. Can't you get the PCUSA bunch to quit using your name?
First words out of my mouth when reading this were "Stupid Bastard!!!". That's just the first words, the rest would get me banned.
And as a second point: No offense to you newgeezer but I don't give a sh*t if some article or another has been posted before. I spend an inordinate amount of time on FR, but I still don't keep up with 'who posted what when'. If duplicate posts help spread the word on a given topic, that should be a 'good thing'. Of course it's not my bandwidth or website. Sorry, I just get a little weary of the posting police. L8R
Yep sure looks that way to me too!
Israel kills top Hamas terrorist
Major blow to already-weakened terror organization
Truth is, PCUSA was here first. Back in the 70s (I think, not sure on dates) PCA broke away because they were sick of the PCUSA's liberal activities. I grew up in a PCUSA church that wasn't too bad, but still a lot of our donations went to the national church which gave money to all kinds of gay rights causes and causes for illegal Mexicans crossing the border. I grew up listening to my folks complain about it, but our church had a good youth program and our minister was a good guy. When I left home my folks left the church for a brand new PCA church that had just opened in their area. I am thankful there is a fairly new PCA church in our area where my wife and I are raising our children. My Presbyterian heritage intermingles with my family's heritage, and I would be lost if I didn't have a good church to go to.
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