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Provisional ballots OK'd for now [OH SoS will use judge's rules, outrageous quote from Fed judge]
Plain Dealer [Cleveland] ^ | Oct 21, 2004 | Scott Hiaasen and Bill Sloat

Posted on 10/21/2004 11:38:12 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko

Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell adopted new provisional ballot rules on Wednesday after a harsh rebuke from a federal judge who said Blackwell's original rules violated federal law.

U.S. District Judge James Carr said Blackwell, the state's chief election official, failed to comply with a court order last week to draft new rules for county officials handling provisional ballots - the special ballots given to voters who believe they are registered but don't appear on the voter rolls.

"Blackwell apparently seeks to accomplish the same result in Ohio in 2004 that occurred in Florida in 2000," Carr wrote.

Last month, Blackwell said provisional ballots must not be given to voters who appear at the wrong voting precinct and that votes cast in the wrong precinct won't count.

In a lawsuit filed by the Ohio Democratic Party, Carr found that the rule violated the federal Help America Vote Act, which sought to expand the use of provisional ballots so eligible voters weren't wrongly turned away.

Carr also told Blackwell to revise his rules and make alternative drafts in case part or all of his decision is overturned. Blackwell has appealed the case to the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

On Monday, Blackwell submitted a new rule that differed little from the one the judge had already struck down. The judge said new rules must be published soon so local election officials can train their employees properly.

So the judge drafted his own rules, which Blackwell adopted late Wednesday.

"We've always intended to comply with the judge's order," said Blackwell's spokesman, Carlo LoParo. "It's kind of hard to grasp what the judge wants."

Carr's rules would allow voters who ask for provisional ballots to receive one as long as they are registered to vote in the county.

For eligible voters in the wrong precincts, their votes would count only in federal elections, not local races.

Carr also wrote an alternative rule in case the appeals court rules that votes cast in the wrong precinct don't count.

In that case, poll workers should warn voters that their votes may not count - but the voter still can cast a ballot on demand.

Meanwhile, the appeals court in Cincinnati indicated Wednesday that it would rule quickly on the dispute. The case was put on an accelerated schedule allowing for arguments early next week - rocket speed for the appellate court.

The appeals court ordered Blackwell's lawyers to file written arguments this morning that explain why the ruling should be scrapped. The order gives Ohio Democratic Party officials until 10 a.m. Saturday to counter Blackwell's arguments.

A three-judge panel said it may hold a hearing at noon Tuesday if the written arguments are not convincing.



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: kenblackwell; provisionalballots; voterfraud
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1 posted on 10/21/2004 11:38:13 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

I hope Blackwell knows what he's doing.


2 posted on 10/21/2004 11:40:16 AM PDT by RockinRight (Bush's rallies look like World Series games. Kerry's rallies look like Little League games.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
"Blackwell apparently seeks to accomplish the same result in Ohio in 2004 that occurred in Florida in 2000," Carr wrote.

Because he won't reward people who refuse to follow simple directions?

3 posted on 10/21/2004 11:41:09 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Mike Fieschko
Well, at least there's nothing in the ruling that requires Ohio to count provisional ballots that were cast in the wrong precinct
4 posted on 10/21/2004 11:45:05 AM PDT by Oblongata
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To: Mike Fieschko

The idiocy of the judge is astounding.

Instead of identifying the fact that a voter who shows up to vote at the wrong precinct and uses a provisional ballot will only be voting on national and state issues and will lose the ability to vote on his or her local issues he short shrifts all the local stuff.

His ignorance is utterly amazing.

The laws have been in place for awhile now and nobody has said boo. And show me where in the federal election laws it states that election officials don't have a right to direct voters to go to the PROPER PRECINCTS TO VOTE.


5 posted on 10/21/2004 11:45:38 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Carr's rules would allow voters who ask for provisional ballots to receive one as long as they are registered to vote in the county.

Well, obviously, this is the next "restrictive" provision that will have to go. How am I supposed to know what county I'm in? And what if I do know, but I think my vote will be more valuable in another county? This is just another racist Republican plot to suppress the vote.

6 posted on 10/21/2004 11:46:03 AM PDT by skip_intro
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To: RockinRight

Well what sense does it make to vote in the wrong precinct. They would likely be voting on races for which they do not have a right to vote. If I was running in a local race, I would be outraged.


7 posted on 10/21/2004 11:47:12 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: RockinRight

Surely these judges on this panel will be wise like the Florida Supremes. LOL


8 posted on 10/21/2004 11:47:13 AM PDT by SaintDismas (Jest becuz you put yer boots in the oven, don't make it bread)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Instead of identifying the fact that a voter who shows up to vote at the wrong precinct and uses a provisional ballot will only be voting on national and state issues and will lose the ability to vote on his or her local issues he short shrifts all the local stuff.

Logic and facts don't trump liberals' idea of 'fairness'.
9 posted on 10/21/2004 11:47:57 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Stop or I shall be forced to say stop again.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Anyone know the makeup of the appeals court? Liberal? Conservative?


10 posted on 10/21/2004 11:49:36 AM PDT by Nataku X (Live near a liberal college? Want to demoralize Dems? FRmail me to join in Operation Reverse Moby!)
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To: Mike Fieschko

What a bastard. He should be appealled for political bias.

I don't find this funny,at all.


11 posted on 10/21/2004 11:51:11 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er ({about the news media} "We'll tell you any sh** you want hear" : Howard Beale --> NETWORK)
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To: RockinRight

Blackwell has appealed this ruling. He could do nothing more without being found in contempt. What are you thinking of?


12 posted on 10/21/2004 11:52:46 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATmedia will no longer control American politics if patriots have their way.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I dunno, he did what he had to do. I just get infuriated at these activist judge a$$holes.


13 posted on 10/21/2004 11:54:49 AM PDT by RockinRight (Bush's rallies look like World Series games. Kerry's rallies look like Little League games.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
The idiocy of the judge is astounding

But the idiocy of "provisional ballots", and in fact the whole "Help America Vote Act" is stupefying. And unconstitutional.

Anyone who casts a "provisional ballot" is not voting pursuant to the directions of his State Legislature as required by Article II.

The whole thing is a farce, and can only lead to trouble.

14 posted on 10/21/2004 11:55:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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To: RockinRight

No shiite. That is one of the principle reasons Bush must be re-elected.


15 posted on 10/21/2004 11:58:33 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATmedia will no longer control American politics if patriots have their way.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
You may see voters with this in their hand. (This is in PDF form):

Voters' Bills of Rights

Check here to see if your state is listed, as each one is a little different:

States listed

16 posted on 10/21/2004 11:59:43 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: Oblongata

There's also now law that says they have to count fraudulent ones either,
They have ten days to allow them to comb through each and every one, and my money is they will.


17 posted on 10/21/2004 12:01:48 PM PDT by mabelkitty (W is the Peoples' President ; Kerry is the Elite Establishment's President)
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To: skip_intro
"How am I supposed to know what county I'm in? And what if I do know, but I think my vote will be more valuable in another county? This is just another racist Republican plot to suppress the vote."

How are you supposed to know what county you're in? Well if you're a drugged out, dropped out liberal I guess you wouldn't. As to the question regarding voting in a different county to 'make your vote more valuable', I guess there will always be a way to circumvent the system for those who seek to, so that's where a little bit of that stuff called honesty and integrity comes in. Qualities so lacking in the Democrat Party.

So for any confused Democrats out there, please find out what county you live in, then find out how to register to vote and follow the simple rules so we 'racist Republicans' won't have do everything for you.

18 posted on 10/21/2004 12:01:49 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: IamHD

Answering from my boyfiends log in on my computer... BUT...

I spoke to my father in Ohio yesterday regarding stories of registration fraud in my home state.

Ohio has another battle regarding their state supreme court... TOO liberal... Buckeyes want judicial reform in their own state as much as they want W to stay in office!


19 posted on 10/21/2004 12:06:03 PM PDT by michaelbfree
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To: michaelbfree

State supreme court, both senators and our governor.

All are too liberal.


20 posted on 10/21/2004 12:14:49 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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