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Frederick Gets 8 Years in Iraq Abuse Case (Abu Ghraib)
AP ^ | 10-21-04 | AP

Posted on 10/21/2004 7:24:55 AM PDT by snooker

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The highest ranking soldier charged in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal was sentenced to eight years in prison for abusing inmates at Abu Ghraib during a court martial Thursday in Baghdad.

Staff Sgt. Ivan "Chip" Frederick, 38, of Buckingham, Va., was also given a reduction in rank, forfeiture of pay and a dishonorable discharge. The sentencing came a day after he pleaded guilty Wednesday to eight counts of abusing and humiliating Iraqi detainees.

He had faced a maximum possible sentence of 11 years in prison.

The Abu Ghraib scandal broke worldwide in April with the publication of photos and video that showed U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqi detainees.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abughraib
Just imagine if he had committed wars crimes, like Kerry said he did. He could have just testified to the Senate and became a Presidential candidate.

Justice, that's what we have here.

1 posted on 10/21/2004 7:24:55 AM PDT by snooker
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Railroaded. Punishment? Yes. Eight years with a guilty plea? Are you kidding me?

Should've been two or three years and dishonorable discharge. Instead, they've ruined his life.

I wonder how Saddam will plead out...


2 posted on 10/21/2004 7:30:04 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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Should've been two or three years and dishonorable discharge. Instead, they've ruined his life.

What, did you really expect the Clintonista diesel-dyke commander to do the perp walk?

3 posted on 10/21/2004 7:33:09 AM PDT by Old Sarge (From the stupidity of the American People, O Lord, deliver us.)
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There must be a lot more to this story than what's is being reported???
8 years for "abusing prisoners"????
Doesn't pass the "smell test"


4 posted on 10/21/2004 7:33:19 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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Ridiculous.


5 posted on 10/21/2004 7:40:50 AM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
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Prisoner abuse is a problem that crops up everywhere there are prisoners. The main thing to do about it is to enforce laws against abuse. It doesn't rise to the level of war crimes, but this man was guilty. Example made.

As far as higher ups - there was a vacuum of authority and discipline that allowed this problem to fester. There was poor leadership, but still you have to punish the direct perpetrator of the crime. Good leaders will be promoted, and bad leaders won't advance.

6 posted on 10/21/2004 7:49:38 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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...was also given a reduction in rank, forfeiture of pay and a dishonorable discharge.

If he was discharged from the army, what's the point of reducing his rank? Can you even have a rank if you're not in the army?

Perhaps someone who understands the military can explain it to a confused civilian like me.

7 posted on 10/21/2004 1:14:22 PM PDT by MikeJ75 (Get the Big Spenders out of government.)
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Your retirement rank is important for benefits. But here it may not have much meaning.


8 posted on 10/21/2004 1:31:46 PM PDT by snooker
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Abu Ghraib Abuse Leader Gets 10-Year Sentence

By Adam Tanner FORT HOOD, Texas (Reuters) - A military jury sentenced Spc. Charles Graner to 10 years in prison on Saturday for his leading role in the 2003 Abu Ghraib torture of Iraqi prisoners, five years less than the maximum sentence possible.

The sentencing at a central Texas military base came a day after a jury found Graner guilty on 10 counts related to the abuses, many of which were documented in photographs that included naked prisoners stacked into a pyramid and being forced to masturbate.

Graner showed no reaction when the sentence was read and appeared calm before he was taken off to prison. Asked if he regretted abusing prisoners, Graner paused, then said: "Maybe you missed that there's a war on. Bad things happen in war.

"Apparently I followed an illegal order."

In his first public remarks on the scandal earlier in the day, Graner told the 10 jurors he had acted wrongly, but said he complained repeatedly to superiors and was told to continue rough treatment.

In 2 1/2 hours of testimony at the sentencing hearing, Graner smiled from time to time and spoke confidently as he detailed his role in the scandal that delivered a powerful blow to the U.S. image abroad.

"I didn't enjoy anything I did there. A lot of it was wrong, a lot of it was criminal," said Graner, 36, the first soldier to go on trial in the abuse case.

The former Pennsylvania prison guard was convicted on charges including conspiracy, assault and indecent acts.

"The enemy needs rallying points," prosecutor Maj. Michael Holley said in arguing for the maximum 15-year penalty. "The accused has provided so much in that regard."

Graner received a dishonorable discharge and forfeiture of all pay and allowances.

Graner, seen grinning in photos of abuses such as stacking a pyramid of naked Iraqi detainees, said gallows humor was the only way to deal with the harsh environment at Abu Ghraib, once Saddam Hussein's most notorious prison.

"There was a lot of things that we did that were so screwed up, if we didn't look at them as funny then there was no way to deal with it," he said. "When I knew someone would take a picture, I'd be smiling; that's the only explanation I have."

SEEKING ANOTHER CHANCE

In his statement to the jury asking that he be given another chance as a soldier, Graner did not discuss the most notorious episodes during his time there, such as when he directed the human pyramid or put a leash on a naked prisoner.

Graner said he complained repeatedly to superiors about the rough treatment he says he was forced to mete out to prisoners.

"We were not treating prisoners the way we were supposed to so I complained about it," he said. "I never stopped complaining."

Graner named several higher-ranking officials to whom he complained about the conditions or treatment forced upon the prisoners, such as sleep deprivation and forced eating cycles. They told him to "follow your order, charge on."

"Like all good soldiers, or bad little soldiers, it was 'right on sir.' We went back."

Four others have been convicted after reaching plea bargains in the case.

During the court-martial, prosecutors provided evidence, including graphic videos and photos, that Graner forced seven Iraqi prisoners to stack themselves into a naked human pyramid and later posed for photos before them. On another occasion, he photographed his lover, Pfc. Lynndie England, holding a leash he put around the neck of a naked prisoner.

Witnesses described how Graner had hit prisoners, in one case knocking one out before piling him into the naked human pyramid.

At one point, Graner demonstrated the power of his blow, perhaps inadvertently, when he whacked a punch into his hand to create a sound told illustrate a point he was making.

Graner said he was troubled by the public perception of his character. "I've been bad-mouthed about my religion -- that I'm not a good Christian," he said.

In a Friday night court session, his parents, Charles and Irma Graner of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, described their son as a good boy and good father to his two children.

"He's not the monster he's being made out to be," Irma Graner told the jury. "In my eyes, he'll always be a hero."

Army prison guard gets 10 years for Abu Ghraib abuse - Waco Tribune

Graner Gets 10 Years in Iraq Prison Abuse - ABC

9 posted on 01/15/2005 3:55:15 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Grainer was sentenced to 10 years according to other news outlets. Here is some info on Grainer and his pass to the present

Soldier Target of Prior Abuse Allegations and more

10 posted on 01/15/2005 4:15:09 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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