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To: Fierce Allegiance
"Put your faith in hydrogen!"

Funny how people complain about the dangers of driving around with a tank of combustible hydrogen in the trunk, when they're already driving around with a tank of combustible petroleum in the trunk.

12 posted on 10/19/2004 1:02:29 PM PDT by Oblongata
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To: Oblongata
Actually, a tank of hydrogen is much more dangerous than a tank of gasoline. The flammability and explosive ranges of hydrogen are 10 to 20 times those of gasoline, respectively. Hydrogen also delivers very little energy per unit of volume, which means that very high pressures (10,000 psi range) are required to achieve reasonable vehicle driving range. Widespread deployment of vehicles fueled by compressed hydrogen would also require hundreds of billions of dollars of investment in a new fuel manufacturing and retail supply network.

A more practicable alternative would be a hydrogen fuel cell with the hydrogen being produced on board from a traditional hydrocarbon source. Honda and others are researching that technology today.

37 posted on 10/19/2004 1:25:54 PM PDT by oilwatcher
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To: Oblongata
...when they're already driving around with a tank of combustible petroleum in the trunk...

There are significant differences between these two fuels. First, hydrogen is a very small molecule which diffuses through fuel tanks into the area surrounding the vehicle. Secondly, hydrogen ignites at a much lower temperature than does gasoline. Third, hydrogen combusts a great deal faster, and thus more explosively than does gasoline. Fourth, a hydrogen flame is invisible in daylight ... you'll walk into a very hot flame before you know it is present.

There is a very large sign at the liquid hydrogen storage facility at the Redstone Arsenal: "Danger, no smoking. Violators will be decimated."

Hydrogen is not a safe fuel. Besides, what is your source of hydrogen? Fossil fuel? Water? It takes more energy to break water down into hydrogen and oxygen that you get from the combustion of that fuel.

40 posted on 10/19/2004 1:27:06 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Oblongata
when they're already driving around with a tank of combustible petroleum in the trunk

Here's a little experiment for you. Take a cup and fill it with gas. Light a match. Throw match into cup. Watch match go out. Happens every time.

47 posted on 10/19/2004 1:31:25 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: Oblongata
Funny how people complain about the dangers of driving around with a tank of combustible hydrogen in the trunk, when they're already driving around with a tank of combustible petroleum in the trunk.

It's not so much the combustibility that's the problem, it's the pressure. The pressure required to condense enough hydrogen to drive to the grocery store and back (and yet fit in the truck of your car) is enormous.

Combine the energy required to compress the hydrogen along with the initial energy required to separate it from whatever it's bonded to, and H2 is a big, big loser.

It would be cheaper (in dollars and lives lost) to just invade Iran.

56 posted on 10/19/2004 1:38:16 PM PDT by Palmetto
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To: Oblongata

H2 under high pressure will autoignite if it leaks with a high pressure drop. I'll take my chances with petroleum.


179 posted on 10/20/2004 1:20:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota and I'm all FOR Global Warming! Bring it ON!)
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