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Vatican denies it responded to lawyer seeking Kerry's excommunication.
Catholic News Service ^ | October 19, 2004 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 10/19/2004 7:32:20 AM PDT by Remole

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- An official at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith said a California canon lawyer seeking a formal decree of heresy against Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts, Democratic presidential nominee, has misrepresented his contact with the Vatican office.

"The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has had no contact with Mr. (Marc) Balestrieri," said Dominican Father Augustine DiNoia, undersecretary of the congregation.

"His claim that the private letter he received from (Dominican) Father Basil Cole is a Vatican response is completely without merit," Father DiNoia told Catholic News Service Oct. 19, declining to discuss the matter further.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: excommunication; kerry; vatican
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1 posted on 10/19/2004 7:32:21 AM PDT by Remole
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To: Remole

I figured this story was too good to be true.


2 posted on 10/19/2004 7:35:18 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Fast Eddie and Big Betty--let them sue McDonald's and leave us alone)
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To: Remole; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; ...

Now the Curial Europhiles start the counter-attack.


3 posted on 10/19/2004 7:35:40 AM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. + http://www.alamo-girl.com/)
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To: Remole

crud......


4 posted on 10/19/2004 7:40:39 AM PDT by kstewskis (BUSH-GIBSON 2004)
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To: Mamzelle

***I figured this story was too good to be true.***

Actually, the letter really didn't say all that much. From what I could understand it said that if you are a Catholic and knowingly refute the Church's teachings on morality, you can excommunicate yourself. The second part said that doing that is not a Church excommunication, which would have to be decided by the proper authorities, presumably after some sort of trial.

Heck, that's the way I've always understood it.


5 posted on 10/19/2004 7:41:16 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: Remole
In the New York Times telling, a spokesman for Mr. Kerry, Michael Meehan, would say only: "Kerry's a Catholic who attends Mass regularly and receives communion. That explains his standing in the church."

I interpret that to mean that Kerry will decide if he is a Roman Catholic in good standing or not.

The Church can go and take a Dudley.
6 posted on 10/19/2004 7:45:52 AM PDT by Beckwith (John Kerry, sign the Form 180 - petition at http://www.SignForm180.com)
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To: Remole

Well, maybe people will finally quit posting it in Breaking News every hour.


7 posted on 10/19/2004 7:46:48 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Remole

So, I wonder if the MSM pool reporters will start asking Kerry what he thinks the chances are that he will be formally excommunicated?


8 posted on 10/19/2004 7:48:17 AM PDT by siunevada
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"The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has had no contact with Mr. (Marc) Balestrieri," said Dominican Father Augustine DiNoia, undersecretary of the congregation.
Sounds to me like someone overplayed his hand.
9 posted on 10/19/2004 7:50:00 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider

HA HA HA HA HA HA! I feel so sorry for all of you who were hoping to strike the match and burn Kerry at the stake in Boston Commons.


10 posted on 10/19/2004 7:57:39 AM PDT by dissident daughter
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11 posted on 10/19/2004 7:58:06 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (Birth is one day in the life of a person who is already nine months old.)
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To: dissident daughter

Ro 14:12,13
Therefore every one of us shall render account to God for himself.
Let us not therefore judge one another any more.
But judge this rather, that you put not a stumbling block
or a scandal in your brother's way.

What kind of man can within the span of a single sentence
misquote scripture, commit heresy, and scandalize with a tone
the sins of another to the entire planet for political gain?

KERRY: We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick
Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being
who she was, she's being who she was born as.

Romans 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh,
these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Ec 7:30
Only this I have found, that GOD MADE man right, and he hath entangled
himself with an infinity of questions.
Who is as the wise man? and who hath known the resolution of the word


12 posted on 10/19/2004 8:00:23 AM PDT by PaxMacian
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To: sitetest
"His claim that the private letter he received from (Dominican) Father Basil Cole is a Vatican response is completely without merit," Father DiNoia told Catholic News Service Oct. 19, declining to discuss the matter further.

I told you it was unofficial and wouldn't get anywhere.

Here's confirmation.

13 posted on 10/19/2004 8:03:44 AM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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To: Remole

Just as I predicted in my response to the first postings of this story.

This was all wishful thinking on the part of some. The RCC was never going to publicly excommunicate John Kerry. They're not going to excommunicate any political figures. That just isn't how the Church works any longer. They learned their lesson centuries ago when an excommunication of an English King caused a break with the Church.

Those who thought this was going to be some "October surprise" were mistaken. It's a non-story now.

Better attack Kerry on real issues. False attacks do the cause no good.


14 posted on 10/19/2004 8:03:50 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: dissident daughter
I feel so sorry for all of you who were hoping to strike the match and burn Kerry at the stake in Boston Commons.

For his sake, Kerry better hope that he doesn't burn somewhere else.

Just because he's not excommunicated doesn't mean he's in good standing in the Catholic Church.

And, it appears a majority of Catholics know that.

15 posted on 10/19/2004 8:06:16 AM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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To: dissident daughter

Weep for yourself and for your children.


16 posted on 10/19/2004 8:06:30 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: sinkspur

Dear sinkspur,

Maybe.

We'll see.

I think things are a little murky, and we'll just have to be patient to see what's up.


sitetest


17 posted on 10/19/2004 8:07:08 AM PDT by sitetest (Why does everyone get so uptight about toasted heretics??)
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To: narses; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; ArrogantBustard

That old soft show (step, ball, chain, backpeddle, backpeddle, thud) from the crowd who havee been 'smoking with satan'......


18 posted on 10/19/2004 8:09:52 AM PDT by Siobhan (Pray without ceasing.)
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To: narses; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; ArrogantBustard

That old soft shoe (step, ball, chain, backpeddle, backpeddle, thud) from the crowd who havee been 'smoking with satan'......


19 posted on 10/19/2004 8:10:08 AM PDT by Siobhan (Pray without ceasing.)
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To: sitetest
The Vatican is not going to inject itself, in any way, into this political campaign.

It may do something after the election is over, but Balesteri jumped the gun with his claim.

20 posted on 10/19/2004 8:10:45 AM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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