[NYer]

"Consequently, if a Catholic publicly and obstinately supports the civil right to abortion, knowing that the Church teaches officially against that legislation, he or she commits that heresy envisioned by Can. 751 of the Code. Provided that the presumptions of knowledge of the law and penalty (Can. 15, s. 2) and imputability (Can. 1321, s. 3) are not rebutted in the external forum, one is automatically excommunicated according to Can. 1364, s. 1."

Can. 15, s. 2 - Can. 15 §1. Ignorance or error about invalidating or disqualifying laws does not impede their effect unless it is expressly established otherwise.

§2. Ignorance or error about a law, a penalty, a fact concerning oneself, or a notorious fact concerning another is not presumed; it is presumed about a fact concerning another which is not notorious until the contrary is proven.

Can. 1321, s. 3 - PENAL SANCTIONS (Cann. 1321 - 1330) Can. 1321 §1. No one is punished unless the external violation of a law or precept, committed by the person, is gravely imputable by reason of malice or negligence.

§2. A penalty established by a law or precept binds the person who has deliberately violated the law or precept; however, a person who violated a law or precept by omitting necessary diligence is not punished unless the law or precept provides otherwise.

§3. When an external violation has occurred, imputability is presumed unless it is otherwise apparent.

CODE OF CANON LAW

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[Michael Goldsberry]

"Bloggers & Personal"

Go figure. This was front page stuff when I saw it.

[Jaded]

Nearly? It was nearly 20 years ago.

Today, I was having a conversation after Mass with a friend. We were discussing the changes to the Mass. Placing the Host in your mouth at the altar, bowing at the appropriate times and standing during one of the prayers. I remarked that I could see the part with the Host. This person went off about faith is between you and God and no one else. How people who objected to some of the sacriledge that goes on were just trying to pass judgement those committing the offenses. Blah, blah, blah. Faith is deeper than other people's judgements. I could but stare.... This person would lean over and get in my face and say that people who thought certain behaviors were required were wrong and didn't get faith.

Pop quiz: Who will that person be voting for on Nov 2?

Sometimes, I'm quite surprised by people who say they are Catholic.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Bumpity bump!

[Cap'n Crunch]

I haven't been on FR much but did you happen to see last week, or a few days ago when O'Reilly had Fr. Pavone and Fr. ... oh, that heretic priest from Notre Dame...

I was so mad. O'Reilly asked if it was sinful to vote for a politician who backs abortion. Fr. Pavone said it was, the americhurch priest said it wasn't.