Posted on 10/03/2004 6:45:44 PM PDT by yonif
"As Ismael had a different mother, we need the gene tracing from Sarah to match the Abraham Gene. Then we can prove who the tribes are.
Getting closer. But I wonder what this will be in the hands of the God hating world set. A death sentence?"
Actually wouldn't one need to have Abraham's actual DNA before anyone could genetically claim to have come from Abraham. I have not heard anyone claim to have discovered Abraham body or do a DNA analysis to start from.
As to your other point, the Heavenly Father is in control and things are happening just as foretold.
In the book, "Adam's Curse" Sykes says that there are about 16 million Genghis Kahn y chromosomes residing in today's male population. I wonder how many of Abraham's y chromosomes there are today?
Genesis 16:3
So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.
Genesis 16:9-16
9. Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her." 10. The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count." 11. The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. 12. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers." 13. She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me." 14. That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi ; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered. 15. So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. 16. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael. |
Not necessarily so. If you could prove that only Jews had a gene and nobody else, the gene change would have had to have come from the Jewish bloodline roots. Which root would be difficult.
As they have found a gene that is present in both Arabs and Jews without being present in the general population, It had to have come through Abraham. It could have come from Abrahams parents too, but that is not the point. If you found a gene that was in all the Jewish bloodlines but not in the Arab blood lines, it would have had to come from Sarah or her parents, as Ishmael was the servants son, not Sarahs. The trick is to have a blood line from all of the tribes of Ishmael to show that all of his sons carried the trait. If on son did not, then the genetic flag came from a son not the father.
If the Arabs carry the trait, then the only place the blood lines converge is back at Abraham. This is not exact science like finding Abrahams tomb with his remains, but it is pretty darn close. Statisticly, as more blood samples get matched from known family trees, the picture will come into clearer focus.
Wonderful! Another example of modern science validating the truth of ancient Biblical writings.
I don't know much about genetics but I have an uneducated assertion. Sarah was apparently Abraham's 1/2 sister so she had many of his genes. Also, Isaac married his wife Rebekah who was a close relative, apparently the granddaughter of Abraham's brother. Jacob, Isaac's son, then married Rebekah's brother's two daughter's Leah and Rachel. Since there was so much intermarrying among close relatives would the genes have "double whammies"? If you traced them back could you tell where they started to mingled in a way as to be from the same very close gene pool? Also, starting from Abraham's and Sarah's generation down you had the Jews who were descendants of the same family intermarrying. Would the very strengh of the genetic pool show up as a definite genetic marker? I am not sure if I explained what I am getting at but hopefully it makes some sense. Should they not have very heavy genetic indications that they are from Abraham's and Sarah's linage? It is interesting how important it was to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that they all had wives from only their close relatives.
I don't know much about genetics but I have an uneducated assertion. Sarah was apparently Abraham's 1/2 sister so she had many of his genes. Also, Isaac married his wife Rebekah who was a close relative, apparently the granddaughter of Abraham's brother. Jacob, Isaac's son, then married Rebekah's brother's two daughter's Leah and Rachel. Since there was so much intermarrying among close relatives would the genes have "double whammies"? If you traced them back could you tell where they started to mingled in a way as to be from the same very close gene pool? Also, starting from Abraham's and Sarah's generation down you had the Jews who were descendants of the same family intermarrying. Would the very strengh of the genetic pool show up as a definite genetic marker? I am not sure if I explained what I am getting at but hopefully it makes some sense. Should they not have very heavy genetic indications that they are from Abraham's and Sarah's linage? It is interesting how important it was to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that they all had wives from only their close relatives.
As you know, Moshiach has to be a descendant of King David on his father's side to be Moshiach.
Sorry for the double posting but lately when I hit post it acts like it is posting and goes to the thread page but the post is not there. So I go back and hit post again and then sometimes it comes up once on the thread and sometimes twice. Has anybody else been having this problem?
Didn't Abraham have 6 sons by Keturah? THese were the progenitors of the Medians among others.
Jeremiah 33:17-21
17. For this is what the LORD says: `David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel,
18. nor will the priests, who are Levites, ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.'"
19. The word of the LORD came to Jeremiah:
20. "This is what the LORD says: `If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night no longer come at their appointed time,
21. then my covenant with David my servant--and my covenant with the Levites who are priests ministering before me--can be broken and David will no longer have a descendant to reign on his throne.
I have, from time to time.
Eclipse Brings Claim Of Medieval African Observatory
New Scientist ^ | 12-4-2002 | Stuart Clark
Posted on 12/04/2002 5:22:25 AM PST by blam
5 posted on 12/04/2002 10:46:14 AM PST by JudyB1938
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/800406/posts?page=5#5
Jewish Genes"One theory proposes that Jews, migrating from the Rhineland and neighboring regions spoke an old form of German which provided the basis of Yiddish. Other scholars reject the German origin of Yiddish. These linguists see Yiddish grammar as fundamentally Slavonic, with modern Yiddish developed by incorporating large numbers of German and Hebrew words into the context of a basically Slavic grammar and syntax. There has not been enough historical evidence to decide between such theories. Now, with the newly developed genetic methods, it is possible to test these ideas, for example to see if there was a significant Slavic contribution to modern Ashkenazic Jewry."
by Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman
2000
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Science has not demonstrated that offspring produced by close relatives creates different races.Isolated populations, iow close relatives, is exactly what produces ethnic groups or "races".
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I disagree with this part also. Levi was the father of one of the twelve tribes which went into Egypt and we know from the Bible that they were there for 400 years before being led out by Moses. According to this, Aaron was Levi's great-grandfather (Aaron, Amram, Kehat, Levi) and that had to stretch back 400 years. Even the Bible described Abraham at 90 as being old to begat a child.
That said, however, this is a fascinating article. Particularly about the Hungarians, as their language is considered by a lot of linguists not to be Indo-European. I also wonder about that tribe in Afghanistan that is reported to have hung onto Jewish traditions in its culture. Can't remember the name; begins with a "P" I think.
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