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The Attack Begins (More Lib lies)
National Review Online ^ | 9/24/04 | Ramesh Ponnuru

Posted on 09/25/2004 7:22:40 PM PDT by Hadean

On Wednesday, the Kerry campaign issued a false press release. It claimed that a study by Austan Goolsbee had proven that under the president's Social Security plan, "the 45 million Americans who count on Social Security will see up to a 45 percent cut in their benefits, while Bush's biggest backers — the financial services industry — will reap billions as part of the largest windfall in Social Security history." Goolsbee's study said nothing about benefit levels, let alone for today's retirees, and after he told me so, the Kerry campaign revised its press release. Good for it.

The campaign has backed off its claim that Goolsbee's study tells us anything about benefit levels under a Bush-style reform. They have also gotten rid of all the language that claims that today's retirees would see their benefits cut — since there's no way they can make that claim honestly. Instead, they are using somewhat ambiguous language that implies the claim. When the campaign says that he will protect seniors from benefit cuts, it's up to the reader to understand that it is referring to the seniors of future decades, not to today's seniors.

What are the Kerry campaign's assumptions? The campaign analyzes one of the three plans that the president's Social Security commission put forward and calls it the president's plan. It relies on a Congressional Budget Office study that found that this plan would involve benefit cuts if individual investors got no higher rate of return than a Treasury bond. That's sort of a no-brainer. If you're trying to eliminate the entire long-term deficit of Social Security and not to raise taxes and there are no investment gains or tax increases, then benefits are of course going to go down. But this is not the only possible outcome, and the CBO does not say that it will come to pass. The Social Security Administration and the president's commission on Social Security have concluded that under more optimistic, but plausible, assumptions, it is possible to fix the program's deficit while also leaving future retirees better off.

Kerry cites Goolsbee for the proposition that individual accounts would provide a $940 billion windfall to Wall Street firms. This result actually does appear in Goolsbee's paper. It is the result of assumptions about administrative costs. Goolsbee assumes that those costs will be comparable to the costs in private-sector defined-contribution plans, and that the proceeds would go to Wall Street firms.

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, the director of the CBO, notes that his agency uses the government's Thrift Savings Plan for federal workers as its model. A Social Security reform plan modeled on the TSP, he says, would likely yield lower administrative fees — and could result in most of those fees' going to a government agency rather than to Wall Street. Even if firms received $940 billion in revenue, the CBO director adds, it would be necessary to look at the costs those firms would incur before concluding that they would receive a windfall profit and that nobody else would benefit from that cashflow.

Finally, the Kerry campaign assumes that the president's plan would tax away ("claw back") 80 percent of the individual accounts at retirement. This is a mistake. The actual plan that the commission outlined — it was one of three plans, remember — allows people to put away money in an individual account. The more they put in, the less the government will pledge to give them to supplement their accounts when they retire. That's the trade-off this plan offers to workers: You get to invest your Social Security taxes, in return for increasing your dependence on your investments. That's the way the program's shortfall can be reduced even while workers get a chance at higher returns. But the gains that people make in their accounts would not be taxed: They would be 100 percent the property of the account owners. The supplemental benefits from the government would not go down because someone's investments had done well. None of the commission's models involve that kind of clawback.

So: To get bad results for Social Security reform, Kerry has had to make a series of unlikely assumptions about what kind of reform plan would be offered — some of them assumptions that can draw no support from anything that has taken place in the world outside of his press releases.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: rameshponnuru; socialsecurity
"....assumptions that can draw no support from anything that has taken place in the world outside of his press releases."

Boy. Can't wait for the debates!

1 posted on 09/25/2004 7:22:41 PM PDT by Hadean
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To: Hadean

"It claimed that a study by Austan Goolsbee had proven that under the president's Social Security plan, "the 45 million Americans who count on Social Security will see up to a 45 percent cut in their benefits, while Bush's biggest backers — the financial services industry — will reap billions as part of the largest windfall in Social Security history." Goolsbee's study said nothing about benefit levels, let alone for today's retirees, and after he told me so, the Kerry campaign revised its press release."


Somebody screwed up big time letting out what is planned under a JFKerry administration.


2 posted on 09/25/2004 7:26:35 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Hadean

I agree completely. W is out to screw us!

As an alternative, why can't we have the Congressional retirement plan?


3 posted on 09/25/2004 7:30:10 PM PDT by x1stcav (John Kerry was the only hero from Vietnam; the rest of us were war criminals.)
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To: Just mythoughts

watch for high level of coordination on this see who else knows or uses this information..... lets bench mark this and see who is in on it .... what press orginazations, names, dates.... come up with the same story.. when....

do you all know about link analysis.... used by the feds to do drug dealers...

we could use it to do the reporters..... if i had the data..


4 posted on 09/25/2004 7:31:53 PM PDT by Gibtx (Wow)
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To: Hadean
Boy. Can't wait for the debates!

It could be tougher than we think. Someone that has no problem spouting off lies, fictional numbers, and fabricated studies can sometimes be hard to immediately refute.
5 posted on 09/25/2004 7:33:04 PM PDT by Jaysun (It's getting hard to see through all of the "white out" on my screen.)
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To: Gibtx
watch for high level of coordination on this see who else knows or uses this information..... lets bench mark this and see who is in on it .... what press orginazations, names, dates.... come up with the same story.. when....

Good idea. That would quickly expose the ones sending out Kerry's talking points as "news." I know nothing about link analysis.
6 posted on 09/25/2004 7:37:01 PM PDT by Jaysun (It's getting hard to see through all of the "white out" on my screen.)
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To: Gibtx

I'm not familiar with link analysis either, aside from what it implies. Does sound like a good idea.


7 posted on 09/25/2004 7:42:49 PM PDT by Hadean
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Here's one report that states it as being backed up by the report done by Goolsbee:

"His campaign released a study by a Chicago professor arguing that the plan will trigger a 45 percent cut in benefits for Social Security recipients."

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2004/09/23/in_fla_kerry_hits_bush_on_social_security/
8 posted on 09/25/2004 7:58:48 PM PDT by Jaysun (It's getting hard to see through all of the "white out" on my screen.)
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To: Jaysun
Here's another:

http://corzine.senate.gov/press_office/record.cfm?id=186695
9 posted on 09/25/2004 8:02:54 PM PDT by Hadean
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To: x1stcav

"W is out to screw us"

Aaahhh H E L L O !!!!

The DEMOCRATS LIED ABOUT BUSH'S PLAN!! And now we have a whole group of seniors who believe Bush is going to cut their SS - which is a big FAT lie.


10 posted on 09/25/2004 8:34:01 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: Hadean

Social security is a TAX that we PAY, whether we like it or not. Many Americans pay this tax all their lives, and die before they can realize any benefit. All that money stays with the government, because we can't pass on to our children. It sounds like theft to me!

NOW, when you draw out a measly pittance of that which you spent years contributing to, that pittance is TAXED AGAIN! When did that start?

The system is broke, people. It's corrupt, and it's a damn shame.


11 posted on 09/25/2004 8:34:28 PM PDT by Just Lori (Exit strategy: Terrorism dead..... freedom flourishing)
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To: CyberAnt

Sorry, Ant!

I forgot to engage the sarcasm actuator.


12 posted on 09/25/2004 8:56:09 PM PDT by x1stcav (John Kerry was the only hero from Vietnam; the rest of us were war criminals.)
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To: Jaysun
Boy. Can't wait for the debates!

It could be tougher than we think. Someone that has no problem spouting off lies, fictional numbers, and fabricated studies can sometimes be hard to immediately refute.

Are you kidding? I can just picture it now. Hundreds of "pajama-clad amatuers", sitting at their computers while watching the debates, shredding and disecting Kerry's every word!

It's gonna be SWEET!

13 posted on 09/25/2004 9:01:39 PM PDT by airborne (God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is ,"No".)
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To: x1stcav

Okay! I was hoping it was sarcasm.


14 posted on 09/25/2004 11:28:11 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: airborne
Are you kidding? I can just picture it now. Hundreds of "pajama-clad amatuers", sitting at their computers while watching the debates, shredding and disecting Kerry's every word! It's gonna be SWEET!

Yes, but we'll have the benefit of being able to do immediate research whereas the President will not. Since I posted that I've had the pleasure of seeing the debates of 4 years ago on CSPAN. The President is a champ. He left each issue in such a way that Gore had to either agree with him or look like a damned fool. The same might be said for Kerry.

I've ordered a new pair pajamas and will have them by the debate. They are the ultimate in computer sitting / Kerry shredding comfort wear. I'll be ready.
15 posted on 09/25/2004 11:35:49 PM PDT by Jaysun (It's getting hard to see through all of the "white out" on my screen.)
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