Posted on 09/23/2004 8:09:29 AM PDT by lyingisbetter
Wow!
Are you serious?
That could go along with some of what Allawi said in his speech today (of course according to Lurch he lied).
Another thought....I've only seen this reported on Fox, but Iraqis are lining up in droves to be trained as police, etc. Even with the danger that comes with that job. Of course, Lurch and his ilk would call these people scumbags and liars.
God, I hope they don't. They have to vote for Bush. He is the guy. Kerry is an anti-American POS. I think the good people of NY see that.
If you go to http://spinswimming.blogspot.com/ you'll see that C3PO from Star Wars is really John Kerry... good for a smile!
Are you 12 years old ? This place is out of control when someone can post a one liner like this with no information.
You know Kerry has been looking very ill lately, almost grey skinned. That chest cold may turn into pneumonia if he doesn't watch it. I want the election won on issues, not by illness. I could imagine the Democrats suing to post-pone the election if Kerri-"an" has to spend some down time recuperating from respiratory illness. Bush would probably agree to the extension, out of "fairness"(sarcasm on)!
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Are they Kerry shills? hmmmmm, makes me wonder.
He just might be benevolent and compassionate enough to DO so! Not ME!
Kerry critisizing Allawi right now!!!
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What part of "one liner" do you not understand ?
Since I watch TV through my VCR, I have what he said recorded on videotape, but don't have time to transcribe it at the moment.
I will guarantee you one thing --- hs stepped in it BIG TIME. He has provided the GOP with soundbite ammo like you won't believe. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!! Unbelievable!!!
Then, again, someone else may have written those comments FOR him. A Clinton mole in his campaign, perhaps? LOL.
They sounded as if they were right out of the "Hillary for savior of the DemocRAT Party 2008" playbook.
You'll have plenty of chances to hear what he had to say, believe me!!! Hahahaha
You nail it.
Kerry is really awful and unworthy of high office. I can't understand anybody who is voting for him. Even if I were a Democrat, I couldn't support him. He is so unacceptable, irresponsible, and anti-American. Kerry's worse than Chirac. I don't trust or like Kerry, but it goes way beyond that.... Kerry is a danger. I am so opposed to him. I think he is an ally (unwittingly or not) of Al Qaeda. He's not on our side. He's on his side. To further his goals, he hugs the terrorists as necessary. It is a real shame and a scandal.
And John Glenn should be ashamed for providing (or trying to provide) cover to the Traitor.
It trickles out, and I have it now---but it's frustrating to click into a thread to see . . . the same headline you just saw.
God, He sucks. He is so ugly and French and unpatriotic. He is a total disaster.
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Clinton called the first President Bush a liar hundreds and hundreds of times. And of course, he never once referred to him as PRESIDENT Bush.
290 posted on 09/23/2004 8:53:14 AM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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I wondered what it would look like if I took John Kerry's 1971 Congressional Testimony and replaced a few words to make the testimony about Iraq. I was curious to see how much it resembled his recent (NYU) speeches on Iaq. Here is the result:
1971 2004
STATEMENT OF JOHN KERRY, VIETNAM VETERANS AGAINST ABOUT THE WAR IN IRAQ
[NOTE: These are excerpts from John Kerry's 1971 Congressional Testimony. However, I have replaced Vietnam with Iraq, Vietnamese with Iraqis, Viet Cong or VC with Insurgents, communism with terrorism, communist with terrorist,and rice paddies with oil fields. Those are the only changes.]
Feelings of Men Coming Back from Iraq
I would like to talk to you a little bit about what the result is of the feelings these men carry with them after coming back from Iraq. The country doesn't know it yet, but it has created a monster, a monster in the form of millions of men who have been taught to deal and to trade in violence, and who are given the chance to die for the biggest nothing in history; men who have returned with a sense of anger and a sense of betrayal which no one has yet grasped.
As a veteran [of Vietnam] and one who feels this anger, I would like to talk about it. We are angry because we feel we have been used in the worst fashion by the administration of this country.
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In our opinion, and from our experience, there is nothing in Iraq, nothing which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Iraq or Afganistan by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to use the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart.
We are probably much more angry than that and I don't want to go into the foreign policy aspects because I am outclassed here. I know that all of you talk about every possible alternative of getting out of Iraq. We understand that. We know you have considered the seriousness of the aspects to the utmost level and I am not going to try to dwell on that, but I want to relate to you the feeling that many of the men who have returned to this country express because we are probably angriest about all that we were told about Iraq and about the mystical war against terrorism.
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Insurgents or American.
We found also that all too often American men were dying in those oil fields for want of support from their allies. We saw first hand how money from American taxes was used for a corrupt dictatorial regime. We saw that many people in this country had a one-sided idea of who was kept free by our flag, as blacks provided the highest percentage of casualties. We saw Iraq ravaged equally by American bombs as well as by search and destroy missions, as well as by Insurgent terrorism, and yet we listened while this country tried to blame all of the havoc on the Insurgents.
We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them. We saw America lose her sense of morality as she accepted very coolly an Abu Ghraib and refused to give up the image of American soldiers who hand out chocolate bars and chewing gum.
We learned the meaning of free fire zones, shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of Muslims.
We watched the U.S. falsification of body counts, in fact the glorification of body counts. We listened while month after month we were told the back of the enemy was about to break. We fought using weapons against "muslim human beings," with quotation marks around that. We fought using weapons against those people which I do not believe this country would dream of using were we fighting in the European theater or let us say a non-third-world people theater, and so we watched while men charged up hills because a general said that hill has to be taken, and after losing one platoon or two platoons they marched away to leave the high for the reoccupation by the Inusrgents because we watched pride allow the most unimportant of battles to be blown into extravaganzas, because we couldn't lose, and we couldn't retreat, and because it didn't matter how many American bodies were lost to prove that point. And so there were Falujahs and Najafs and so many others.
Now we are told that the men who fought there must watch quietly while American lives are lost so that we can exercise the incredible arrogance of Iraqizing the Iraqi. Each day- (Applause)
The Chairman: I hope you won't interrupt. He is making a very significant statement. Let him proceed.
Mr. Kerry: Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Iraq someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn't have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say that we have made a mistake. Someone has to dies so that President Bush won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war."
We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to dies in Iraq? How do ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake? But we are trying to do that, and we are doing it with thousands of rationalizations, and if you read carefully the President's last speech to the people of this country, you can see that he says, and says clearly: But the issue, gentlemen, the issue is terrorism, and the question is whether or not we will leave that country to the terrorists or whether or not we will try to give it hope to be a free people.
But the point is they are not a free people now under us. They are not a free people, and we cannot fight terrorism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now.
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We are asking here in Washington for some action, action from the Congress of the United States of America which has the power to raise and maintain armies, and which by the Constitution also has the power to declare war.
We have come here, not to the President, because we believe that this body can be responsive to the will of the people, and we believe that the will of the people says that we should be out of Iraq now.
Extent of Problem of Iraq War
We are here in Washington also to say that the problem of this war is not just a question of war and diplomacy. It is part and parcel of everything that we are trying as human beings to communicate to people in this country, the question of racism, which is rampant in the military, and so many other questions also, the use of weapons, the hypocrisy in our taking umbrage in the Geneva Conventions and using that as justification for a continuation of this war, when we are more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva Conventions, in the use of free fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search and destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners, accepted policy by many units in Iraq. That is what we are trying to say. It is party and parcel of everything.
An American Indian friend of mine who lives in the Indian Nation al Alcataz put it to me very succinctly. He told me how as a boy on an Indian reservation he had watched television and he used to cheer the cowboys when they came in and shot the Indians, and then suddenly one day he stopped in Iraq and he said "My God, I am doing to these people the very same thing that was done to my people." And he stopped. And that is what we are trying to say, that we think this thing has to end.
We are also here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We are here to ask where are Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld and so many others.
OMG! That's gross and awesome at the same time. LOL!
LOL - W is talking about "mixed messages", over and over. Slamming kerry BIGTIME without ever mentioning his name.
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