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Bush rally cry: Privatize Social Security
Lexington Herald-Leader ^ | 9/18/04 | Robin Toner And David Rosenbaum

Posted on 09/18/2004 8:06:09 AM PDT by qam1

BUT IN POLITICAL MINEFIELD, REAL PLAN ISN'T FEASIBLE, ANALYSTS SAY

NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE

WASHINGTON - President Bush's vision of an "ownership society" is built more than anything else on a sweeping promise: that he will transform Social Security so younger workers can divert some of their payroll taxes into private investment accounts.

At a rally in Pennsylvania last week, Bush declared, as he does at almost every campaign stop nowadays, that "younger workers ought to be able to take some of their taxes and set up a personal savings account, an account that they can call their own, an account that the government cannot take away and an account that they can pass on from one generation to the next."

It is a longstanding promise, popular with many younger workers and with conservatives who argue that the huge social insurance programs of the New Deal and the Great Society badly need to be modernized.

The private accounts, first proposed by Bush in his 2000 presidential campaign, fit neatly into his philosophy of an "ownership society," the idea that Americans should be given more control over -- and responsibility for -- their health care, retirement and financial lives.

Advocates of private accounts say they would solve the government pension program's long-term fiscal problems, allowing today's younger workers to retire with a nest egg bigger than the government could provide.

Michael Tanner, director of the Cato Institute's Project on Social Security Choice, and a leading backer of private accounts, argued: "Under the current system, you pay in and the politicians in Washington decide how much you're going to get in the end. Under individual accounts, you own and control that money. It belongs to you."

But behind the sweeping promise are some harsh political realities that could loom large in this fall's debates and the final clashes of the presidential campaign. Bush has never proposed a specific plan to reach his goal -- for good reasons, critics say. With the budget already running large annual deficits, recent estimates of typical plans for private accounts show they would cost as much as $2 trillion over the first 10 years.

Moreover, the changes Bush seeks are difficult politically in a polarized Congress, where many Democrats are convinced that the Bush plan would undermine one of the last pillars of the New Deal.

Experts say that creating such accounts would only worsen the nearer-term strains on Social Security, as the baby boomers retire. John Rother, policy director for AARP, the lobby for older Americans, said, "Private accounts would make Social Security's fiscal health much worse, without drastic cuts in guaranteed benefits."

Democrats say Bush's vagueness is by design. Rep. Robert T. Matsui, a senior Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee and chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, declared: "They can act really brave over at the White House when they talk conceptually. They say, 'I'm not cutting benefits, or raising payroll taxes, and I will let young people divert 2 percent.' It sounds wonderful -- and it cannot be done."

Republicans counter that the Democrats are trying to retain their traditional advantage concerning Social Security and are choosing to scare the elderly rather than confront the necessity for an overhaul. Bush said this week that "you'll hear the same rhetoric you hear every campaign," adding, "It is the tired, pathetic way to campaign for the presidency."

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., who has long pushed for a Social Security overhaul, said, "I think the president's position is as far as you can go in a political climate."


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KEYWORDS: genx; gimmegeneration; gwb2004; issues; socialsercurity
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1 posted on 09/18/2004 8:06:10 AM PDT by qam1
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To: qam1

Heads up! X'er ping!


2 posted on 09/18/2004 8:08:16 AM PDT by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; malakhi; m18436572; ...
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social aspects that directly effects Generation Reagan / Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

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3 posted on 09/18/2004 8:08:34 AM PDT by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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4 posted on 09/18/2004 8:16:48 AM PDT by jla
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To: qam1
If we baby boomers want to have a 'greatest-generation' moment, I think our last chance is in ending the social security Ponzi scam.
5 posted on 09/18/2004 8:19:12 AM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: qam1
Privatizing Social security does not mean investing primarily in the stock market.

T-bills, mortgage securities, government bonds, long-term CDs all deliver a much greater return than the stale Social Security System.

We must wean the people away from SS starting with means testing and raising the retirement age from 65 to 72.

When SS was set up the life expectancy was barely 60.

Now it's well into the 70s.

6 posted on 09/18/2004 8:20:43 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (3 Purple Hearts? No blood? No Way!!)
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To: qam1
philosophy of an "ownership society," the idea that Americans should be given more control over

It all sounds great --- until his next campaign stop is to a large immigrant group and he promises to give full Social Security checks to anyone from Mexico who would claim to have worked here 18 months -- legally or illegally.

7 posted on 09/18/2004 8:24:02 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: qam1

Did I read that correctly NYT new service--enough said.


8 posted on 09/18/2004 8:24:49 AM PDT by keysguy (Trust the media as far as you can throw them)
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To: slowhandluke

Considering Bush's biggest support is coming from the younger Generations he should be pushing this big time. This and tort reform should be his highest domestic priorities and he should be putting out commericals solely on these subjects.


9 posted on 09/18/2004 8:25:38 AM PDT by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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BUT IN POLITICAL MINEFIELD, REAL PLAN ISN'T FEASIBLE, ANALYSTS SAY

Socialist analysts, that is...

10 posted on 09/18/2004 8:26:00 AM PDT by sargon (How could anyone vote for the socialist, weak-on-defense fraud named John Kerry?)
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To: qam1

Progress and reform have become the distinguishing features of the Republican Party. It is the Democrats that cling to the status quo and an ever burgeoning bureaucracy.


11 posted on 09/18/2004 8:27:53 AM PDT by etradervic (Kerry is a Left-Wing Dinosaur)
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To: qam1

add please


12 posted on 09/18/2004 8:31:20 AM PDT by gnarledmaw
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To: qam1
But did Bush conceive this idea in Vietnam? Or while fighting for the Democratic (north) Vietnamese? No, he is a deserter who never went to Vietnam. (He deserted by taking a job in Alabama after heroic Kerry lost the war for pro-American Bush and accepting a no-pay position in the Guard while there.)

Considering that Bush cannot tie his position to Vietnam, the seminal issue in this campaign, and that he served dishonorably by not defecting or betraying his country during that military conflict, BUSH SHOULD SHUT HIS MOUTH AND PRAISE KERRY.

Bush desperately needs to answer legitimate questions about the wretched nature of his desertion. Even when he bothered to show his face in the Texas Guard, he performed miserably. He should quit using diversionary tactics and start talking about the real issue, Vietnam.

Am I good enough to write a DNC/NYT/CBS news item yet?
13 posted on 09/18/2004 8:36:05 AM PDT by dufekin (President Kerry would have our enemies partying like it's 1969, when Kerry first committed treason.)
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To: TonyRo76
Scandalous is hardly the word if you are an employer like I am it's almost usurious. We have to match everything we take out and some months it's hard to come up with the dough.
15 posted on 09/18/2004 8:46:52 AM PDT by keysguy (Trust the media as far as you can throw them)
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To: keysguy
Maybe you should just fire all your employees and re-hire them as independent contractors. That way you don't have them on your payroll anymore -- and your costs are magically transformed from "payroll" to "direct expenses."

Anyone who fails to recognize the issue of payroll taxes as one of the leading factors in "outsourcing" is oblivious to the realities of running a business these days.

17 posted on 09/18/2004 9:30:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: FITZ

"It all sounds great --- until his next campaign stop is to a large immigrant group and he promises to give full Social Security checks to anyone from Mexico who would claim to have worked here 18 months -- legally or illegally."


FITZ, I think illegals getting SS is a done deal. It is being implemented through the State Dept. and SS Administration. We couldn't expect illegals to qualify with the same amount of quarters worked as we do, could we?? Just wouldn't be PC!


18 posted on 09/18/2004 9:45:21 AM PDT by JustAnotherSavage ("As frightening as terrorism is, it's the weapon of losers." P.J. O'rourke)
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To: qam1
recent estimates of typical plans for private accounts show they would cost as much as $2 trillion over the first 10 years.

I despise these type of comments that suggest that the the government(ss) is providing me something at a cost to them. Contrary to what some socialists would like to have, ss was designed as a means based program. This is partly to blame for why it is becoming insolvent, and why it must be privatized to protect from the vultures. I believe that the only acceptable Dimo reform plan would be to correct this capitalist mistake at a greater "COST" and loss in future benefits to those who currently contribute to ss.

19 posted on 09/18/2004 9:56:41 AM PDT by Roland
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To: JustAnotherSavage

That's why I wonder who Bush is trying to kid by talking about privatization again -- he pulled that one during the first campaign and it never happened. Then Vicente Fox comes along and demands the whole enchilada which includes social security checks for any one who gets over here and works a short while here --- and it's given.


20 posted on 09/18/2004 10:09:31 AM PDT by FITZ
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