Tennessee connection to the guard documents?

Moore Thoughts ^ | 09/13/04 | Nathan Moore

[Pikamax]

My good friend Bob Krumm brought this interesting tidbit to my attention on Friday. I remember listening to the show, but hadn't thought about it since the questionable Bush related Guard documents surfaced. Cutting and pasting from Bob's email:

Nashville radio talk show may give us a clue about who had prior knowledge of the forged documents

The next question regarding the 60 Minutes fraud is: who gave the CBS show the bogus documents? Veteran Nashville broadcaster, Teddy Bart on his daily radio show, “Teddy Bart’s Roundtable” may have given us a clue about who knew about the documents nearly a month ago. It appears that Bob Tuke, who was a guest on the show on August 11th knew that something was about to happen with regard to President Bush’s alleged failure to show up for a physical examination.
Teddy referenced the episode yesterday (September 9th) when 42:13 seconds into the show he said, “Listeners to the Roundtable will note that something was going to come because Bob Tuke, who is a Nashville attorney and significant in the Kerry campaign in Tennessee, told us about three weeks ago that um there was going to be some document, or implied that there will be a document about Bush’s missing time in the Alabama National Guard, in the National Guard, and that somebody was going to come forward with a document. So it did happen, and uh 60 Minutes had it.”

I went back to the show in question from August 11th, where the guests were Sue Rankin, a former special counsel to Senator Bill Frist, Frank Ritter, a columnist with the (Nashville) Tennessean, and Bob Tuke a former Marine Corps officer, Vietnam Veteran, and the Tennessee state chairman of Veterans for Kerry. An interesting conversation began at 56:18 into the show.

Bob Tuke said that by the time of the debates, “We may also know why Bush failed to show up for his medical exam that caused him to lose his flight status.” When pressed on his comment he said that, “The physical exam was scheduled for a couple of weeks after the Air Force changed its policy and decided to put drug testing into physical exams so now the speculation is out there about why would a person who has been serving for--supposedly serving for--three to four years in the Air National Guard as a pilot fail to show up for a physical so that he could maintain his flight certification status? Why?”

Teddy pressed him on the issue and Tuke wouldn’t get more specific, but the astute journalist Teddy concluded the first hour of the show by saying that “My sense of it is just, just, just flitting around the edges of Mr. Tuke’s comment, somebeody’s going to come forward soon and say something about that physical examination.”

What was obvious to Teddy Bart even a month ago was that Bob Tuke was aware of a pending document that would shed a damaging light on President Bush’s time in the National Guard. But how would Bob Tuke know? Sure, he’s well-known in Tennessee Democrat circles, but he’s not that high up in the Kerry organization. If I were a budding journalist wanting to make a name for myself, I’d sure like to ask Bob Tuke, what did you know and when did you know it?

BTW, this coming Wednesday (September 15th) Bob Tuke is again scheduled to be on Teddy Bart’s show. Can’t wait to see if he shows up, and to hear what he might say.

Bob Tuke is as connected with Democratic party, and the Kerry campaign, as anyone in the State of Tennessee. This comment certainly raises some interesting questions. If there is any sort of connection between an arm of the Kerry campaign and these documents, which have been declared fake by 10 out of 10 people (who are not Democratic operatives or Dan Rather) who analyze them, a significant impact could be felt.

[HateBill]

Tennessee. Gorons. Chris Leheinous. Case Closed.

[Nasty McPhilthy]

I'm with you on this one!

I've posted links this morning to the thread that Bob Krumm started last night in hopes of sparking an interest.

Gore is in on it also. He lives in the same area as Tuke.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1216183/posts?q=1&&page=95#95

[NavySEAL F-16]

Did you listen or find any feedback on the show?

Did Tuke even show up?

TIA

[mabelkitty]

Lehane was also the first one to show up the night the forgery issue was raised - he claimed it was the first he had heard about it (on "Nightline").

Interesting.....

But how did he get Ben Barnes to lie about when he was Lt. Governor? Bush was in TANG in 1968 - Barnes wasn't Lt. Governor until 1969. Danny in Cambodia, anyone?

[TomGuy]

Neal Boortz was reading from an article this morning that detailed the 'points' GWB acquired during his NG years. [I didn't catch the source of the report.]

Per the report, NG members were required to acquire 50 points per year to be in good status. GWB exceeded the minimum requirement each year he was active NG status. His average was well over 100 points, with 56 being the lowest numbers during his last 2 NG years.

So regardless of how the Dems try to impugn GWB's NG service,

1. GWB exceeded the NG minimum points each year, and

2. GWB received an honorable discharge.

Any allegations to AWOL or other such accusations that impugn GWB's NG service are moot.

[Pete]

I believe that the 60 minutes story was the lead in for the whole missed physical/drug testing accusation. That charge is all over liberal websites going back a year. Last week, Harkin was asking, "If the President missed his physical, why did he miss?" insinuating there was some reason.

The discovery that the documents are forged has thrown the whole strategy off. Even so, Kitty Kelly managed to get it out in one of her interviews.

The docs were never about missing an exam. The Dems were more intersted in getting the suggestion out there that W. skipped it because he was on drugs.

[rocklobster11]

I've been wondering why these forged memos were created, as they didn't appear to have any damaging or new information in them. However, I've now come to the conclusion that the memos were created to create a timeline showing that Bush was ordered to take a phyiscal (including drug test) within 10 days (May 14) so he panicked and skipped town on May 15.

What do you think of this:

• Fact: Bush was due for a physical by end of July, but transferred to Alabama to work on a congressional race and missed his physical because he wasn't planning on flying anymore
• Fact: The official evaluation from 1973 says that the Texas officers were not able to evaluate Bush for the period in question because he left the base on May 15, 1973.

These are the facts. Bush's detractors have long tried to imply that Bush missed his physical to avoid a drug test. But the timeline does not work to their advantage, since the physical was not due until months after Bush went to Alabama. Thus, the memos were created for the purpose of:

• May 4, 1972 forged memo says Bush has until May 14 to get his physical.
• Bush did not get the physical by May 14, as evidenced in the May 19 forged memo.
• Bush left Texas on May 15, so obviously he must have been making a quick get away from the Guard because he was worried about the drug test.

Kitty Kelley is also pushing the DNC talking point that Bush didn't take the physical to avoid a drug test. These forged memos alter the timeline to make their story seem credible. Also, that would explain why they were put out on 60 minutes last week. Have 4-5 days of news cycle about Bush not obeying a direct order and being given special treatment. Then when the Kitty Kelley book comes out, use these memos to change to an attack that he wasn't just disobeying a direct order, he was running away from a drug test because he was doing cocaine while in the guard.

To repeat, the whole purpose of these memos is to give credence to the Bush was doing cocaine in the National Guard lies that the DNC wants to use to either demoralize Bush's base, or force Bush to go into great detail on all of Bush's young and irresponsible days.

In reality, in 1972, there was no regular drug testing implemented as part of the annual flight status physical, from what I've heard.

[rocklobster11]

bingo. you beat me to the post.

[fetts]

Ping.

[TaxRelief]

Great investigative work!

Here's a little quote from a DNC photo spread:

On April 17, 2004 approximately 100 persons gathered on the courthouse lawn in Crossville, TN for a Kerry for President rally. Speakers included Anna York, youngest Kerry delegate from TN to the upcoming national convention; Anna Belle Clement O'Brien, sister of Frank and aunt of Bob; and Robert Tuke, Nashville attorney, veteran, and a top leader in the Tennessee Kerry for President campaign.

-photos of event

[Nasty McPhilthy]

He was there alright!

The exchange starts at 56:18 into the show

http://www.thepublicforum.org/tbrt/listen.html

[Nasty McPhilthy]

Here's a list of Tuke's associates in the party in TN.

http://www.davidsondemocrats.com/staff.htm

[NavySEAL F-16]

Thanks.

[Nasty McPhilthy]

July 26, 2004
A Civil S.O.B.?
Civility was the watchword among conventioneers on a day when TV networks were playing video of Teresa Heinz Kerrry telling a reporter to "shove it."

But Tennessee delegate Bob Tuke, a Nashville lawyer and head of the state's Veterans for Kerry group, stuck to his stump speech that at least flirts with name-calling directed toward Bush.

"I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tired of that S.O.B.," declared Tuke to the assembled Tennessee delegation, bringing a loud round of applause.

"Excuse me," he then quickly added. "I'm not being profane. That's a son of a Bush."




That's real cute, Bob.

[Nasty McPhilthy]

July 26, 2004
A Civil S.O.B.?
Civility was the watchword among conventioneers on a day when TV networks were playing video of Teresa Heinz Kerrry telling a reporter to "shove it."

But Tennessee delegate Bob Tuke, a Nashville lawyer and head of the state's Veterans for Kerry group, stuck to his stump speech that at least flirts with name-calling directed toward Bush.

"I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tired of that S.O.B.," declared Tuke to the assembled Tennessee delegation, bringing a loud round of applause.

"Excuse me," he then quickly added. "I'm not being profane. That's a son of a Bush."




That's real cute, Bob.

[TaxRelief]

From the Kerry Blog site:

A Marine Speaks Out

Conservative columnist Mona Charen had faint praise for John Kerry's service in Vietnam in a recent column, grudgingly admitting that he "earned a number of medals and citations when many of his contemporaries were fleeing to Canada..." John's supporters in the veterans' community have always been very sensitive to anyone who shortchanges or denegrates those who served in Vietnam, and former Marine and Vietnam veteran Robert Tuke sent us this passionate reply to Charen:

To the Editor:

I support Sen. John Kerry for President. Therefore, I was disappointed to see the Opinion by Mona Charen recently published in The Tennessean. My disappointment turned to dismay and then to disgust as I read her disjointed condemnation of Sen. Kerry's position on the Iraq war and her disparagement of his Vietnam service.

I too am a Vietnam veteran, a Marine, and for Mona Charen to dismiss Kerry's service with a terse acknowledgment that he "earned a number of medals and citations when many of his contemporaries were fleeing to Canada" is an insult to him and to every combat veteran.

His "number of medals" includes a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. The first two are among our nation's highest decorations for valor, and the Purple Heart is earned only by being wounded in combat. Kerry earned his decorations by serving two tours of duty in heavy combat, on one occasion courageously leading an assault upon a superior enemy force that had ambushed his swift boat. I have no doubt he saved his crew by doing so. Perhaps if Mona had ever been in an ambush or had ever spoken to anyone who has, she might not have been so flippant about Kerry’s service. Perhaps she also might not be so quick to support a president who avoided service rather than having the courage to volunteer for it.

Even more disturbing is her suggestion that one cannot be proud of one's service in Vietnam unless one believes the war itself had unassailable merit. Almost every combat veteran I know is proud of his or her service. How one feels about the war is an entirely different matter.

Perhaps Mona could have asked a veteran how it felt to come home from a difficult and dangerous experience only to learn that our own government had information, later published in the Pentagon Papers, which indicated that our goals and our strategy were both perhaps fatally flawed from the beginning. Sound familiar? It was that disappointment, indeed betrayal, which caused many veterans to join the VVAW, including John Kerry.

Most of us, however, did nothing, except to withdraw from the debate and sometimes, tragically,l from society.

Most of us only began to "come home" when the
Vietnam Veterans' Memorial was dedicated in Washington, DC. Even then, one could not escape a sense of betrayal, as Interior Secretary James Watt opposed the Memorial because he did not favor its design. I wonder if Mona knows that the Memorial was conceived, designed, built and paid for under the direction of the Vietnam Veterans of America, which John Kerry helped found. Not one penny of U.S. Government money went into it.

I am pleased that our Iraq war veterans are being
treated better by the public than were Vietnam veterans upon our return, but the Bush administration and the Congress continued to betray all veterans in their underfunding of veterans' health needs, retirements, and disability entitlements. That is an issue Sen. Kerry has made central in his campaign, as he articulated in his speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars a couple of weeks ago. Mona Charen is totally wrong about John Kerry and his views on war. Worse, she has insulted the very people who fight these wars in her attack on Sen. Kerry. She should be ashamed.

Semper Fidelis,
Robert D. Tuke
rtuke@tntlaw.net

---

[Nasty McPhilthy]

"I am pleased that our Iraq war veterans are being
treated better by the public than were Vietnam veterans upon our return, but the Bush administration and the Congress continued to betray all veterans in their underfunding of veterans' health needs, retirements, and disability entitlements. That is an issue Sen. Kerry has made central in his campaign, as he articulated in his speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars a couple of weeks ago. Mona Charen is totally wrong about John Kerry and his views on war. Worse, she has insulted the very people who fight these wars in her attack on Sen. Kerry. She should be ashamed."

No, Mr. Tuke. JFingK insulted the Troops like none before or after him ever have or will.


(been looking for the email address, thanks)

[rocklobster11]

What is behind each of the memos:

Fake Memo	What is says	Why was it created
May 4,1972	Orders Bush to get his annual physical within 10 days	To change the timeline for Bush getting his annual physical, which wasn't actually due until the end of July. Create the impression that Bush left in a hurried panic for Alabama to avoid drug testing
May 19, 1972	Phone call from Bush asking about getting transfered to Alabama because he wants to run a campaign. Followed by discussion of getting the physical later if he decided to keep flying	Show that Bush left town on May 15, called his commander after the fact to see if he could transfer to Alabama. Also, create a confirmation that Killian was aware and ok with the fact that Bush missed the physical. If the order from May 4 was disobeyed, you would expect some sort of official reprimand or follow-up. Since there is nothing in the record, the May 19 memo provides an answer.
August 1,1972	Bush suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failute to meet annual physical examination as ordered. Plus order of the creation of a flight review board IAW AFM35-13.	Make it look like there was something more to the suspension of flight status than just missing the physical. Create the impression that a flight review board was ordered, so that they can then ask why Bush has not released this document (ie, there must be a cover-up). It must show that Bush was suspended for using drugs
August 18, 1972	CYA Memo about being pressured to sugar-coat the Bush review. Mentions something about backdating information	Perhaps to show that there was some pressure from higher up for a coverup. However, I wonder what record would need to be "backdated" in order to fit in with the subsequent conspiracy theory that they plan to release. Perhaps we will find out, or perhaps they will abandon the next phase of the plan now that the forgeries have been uncovered

Comments?

[howardl]

It is included in documents the White House released. I hate to say this, but it is available on the CBS website. Here