Posted on 09/14/2004 3:50:57 PM PDT by ambrose
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE SEP 14, 2004 17:48:35 ET XXXXX
TEXAS GUARD SECRETARY SURFACES: SAYS CBS DOCS 'FORGERIES', BUT STANDS BY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST BUSH
The DRUDGE REPORT has found Lt. Col. Jerry Killian's former secretary who claims that the Texas Air National Guard documents offered by CBS in its 60 MINUTES II report filed by Dan Rather last week are indeed 'forgeries'.
"I did not type these particular memos. I typed memos like these," Knox told the DRUDGE REPORT from her home in Houston.
"I typed memos that had this information in them, but I did not type these memos. There are terms in these memos that are not Guard terms but that are Army terms. They use the word 'Billets'. I think they were using that to refer to the slot. That would be a non-flying slot the way we would use it. And the style... they are sloppy looking."
But Marion Carr Knox stands by the accusations contained in the allegedly fraudulent documents that Bush skirted a medical and flight exam without suffering institutional repercussions.
"The information in these memos is correct -- like Killian's dealing with the problems."
"It was General Staudt, not then Lt. Colonel Hodges [who succeeded Staudt], that was putting on the pressure to whitewash Bush. For instance he didnt take his flight examination or his physical. And the pilots had to take them by their birthdays. Once in a while there would be a reason why a pilot would miss these things because some of them were commercial pilots. But they had to make arrangements to take their exams."
Knox speculated as to how she thought the forgeries were created saying, "My guess is that someone in the outfit got hold of the real ones and discussed it with a former Army person."
Knox worked for the Guard from 1957 until she retired in 1979, and she was Lt. Col. Killian's secretary during the time President Bush served in Texas.
Contacted by the DRUDGE REPORT, Lt. Col. Killian's son Gary, who also served in the unit during the same period, responded: "I know Marion Carr. I remember her as a sweet lady who reminded me then of a dear aunt."
"But if Staudt had put pressure on my dad, there would have been a blow-up -- instantly. It was one of the reasons they got along so well. They had a mutual respect for one another."
"As has been pointed out by so many others, then Col Staudt had been out of the unit for 18 months. And I stand by my previous comments regarding my dad's admiration for Lt. Bush and his regard for him as an officer and pilot -- which was exemplary."
Knox told the DRUDGE REPORT that she did not vote for Bush in 2000 because he is 'unqualified' for the job, and does not intend to vote for him in 2004, either.
"Bush was not the only person of privilege who had a spot in the Guard. Senator [Lloyd] Bensen's nephew was in headquarters. There was a big jewelery store, Gordons. Their son was in the Guard. The owner of Batelstein's, a posh department store in the area, his son was in. The other kids couldn't get in like that. Hugh Roy Cullen's grandson was also in. He was a big oil man."
Knox, however, did have some kind words about then Lt. Bush.
"[Bush] was always pleasant and gentlemanly to me," she said. "I never noticed him not being respectful. I thought he was a nice young man and that he must have had very nice parents to produce a son as nice as he seemed to be."
Knox has been following the story since last week when the 60 MINUTES II broadcast aired, and on Friday she contacted the HOUSTON CHRONICLE wanting to tell her side of the story. Since then the DALLAS MORNING NEWS has also contacted her.
"What really hecked me off was when it was somebody on TV, associated with the White House, who said that all of this information was lies. And I got excited at the time because I knew that I had typed documents with this information because a person like Bush stood out from the others -- because of his association with his father."
Asked about reports that Lt. Col. Killian's wife and son saying he didn't type, Knox stated, "He didn't need to. He had me."
Knox explains that the August 18, 1973 date typed on one of the "forged" documents proves that they were faked. Group Commander Staudt, who allegedly had been putting pressure on Killian, retired in 1972.
To the best of her recollection, Knox explains that Staudt must have put pressure on Killian in 1972 -- the year he retired.
"If my father was going to type a CYA memo, which he didn't," Gary Killian responded. "He would have typed it himself because he wouldn't have wanted anyone to see it. But it's academic because Colonel Staudt had been out of the unit for 18 months -- as is well documented."
Contacted at his office in Bartlett, Texas, former Major Dean Roome, who served with Lt. Bush, responded to the latest information.
"If the memos are fraudulent, then why were they generated? Roome asked.
"Marion Carr Knox is validating what the rest of us are saying. She says once in a while a pilot would miss a physical because some of them were commercial pilots. I was also a commercial pilot with Continental Airlines. The clinic did not just open up for us to take a personal physical. The Flight Surgeons had to be there along with a full complement of medical personnel. We took our physical during the Uniformed Training Assembly (UTA) just like everyone else."
"The 'former Army person' she references is the person we believe may have created the fraudulent documents in an effort to injure President Bush. He has his own agenda and I doubt that he has any 'real ones' [documents].
Ms. Knox states emphatically that she is not acting for political motives, and has no formal relationship with any political party. She says she just wants to set the record straight.
Developing...
How long until CBS uses the word "reconstructions"?
If she retired in 1979, I'd say she's elderly. The RATs have probably threatened her with Bush taking away her medicare if she doesn't cooperate. (just kidding, but only a little)
What really bugs me about her comments is that indicated that the forger HAD the real ones, talked to an army guy and then rather inexplicably decided that instead of using the REAL memos, they'd create forgeries. And that makes sense how???
She is a liar with the talking points directly from the DNC - they know the forgeries won't stand scrutiny so they got her to come out to prempt the fallout from that and to try to make the underlying lies stick. Sorry won't work - too transparent even for my 3rd grader.
To stir up interest.
Had they trotted out this old lady without the memo's NO ONE would care... I mean, this crap has been going on for what? 12 years?
This way, you cause a flap about the memos and BANG, here's the lady who would know, right? The end result is that the subject of the story (what Dan referred to on Thursday as the "unanswered questions" raised by the story itself, not the documents) is subconsciously accepted as fact and the memos are just a little detail that will go away in time.
I'm telling you, this is just a little too convenient. The lady is saying just enough to keep the LIE alive and give CBS a "ok, we were wrong about the memos but the story is still true" moment.
Bingo.
This is a set up.
"Then they must exist somewhere, dont they? Why aren't THOSE originals being produced"
one might indeed wonder . . .
"any possibility that Knox forwarded the memos and is now feeling some heat?"
no, she would have known how to type them in the proper format, etc.
"Staudt must have put pressure on Killian in 1972 -- the year he retired."
yes, your point is well taken. The date the forger accused Staudt was about the pressure of "sugarcoating the evaluation". The evaluation would only have needed sugarcoating if it were the one for 72-73, which was due after May 73.
That was the one which was non-rated due to non-observation. I.E. it was NOT sugarcoated, pressure or non pressure.
SO if he did not pressure for sugarcoating in 73, and there was no sugarcoating in 73, then the allegations re his pressure from the memos fall into ashes . . .
What would said pressure have even been about in 72? ? They aren't even alleging what it was.
I'm sure her testimony can be examined, etc. But IMO, the questions about Bush's NG service have been answered by the standing O at the NG convention. HE SERVED HONORABLY. If the National Guard is happy, and chants 4 more years, who else should be questioning his qualifications for serving as President on the basis of his 'Lying' about his NG service.
How far down this hole do we intend to go? How many little old ladies in tennis shoes and assorted others will we spend time analyzing, when it means nothing, anyway.
IOW if she were MORE credible than the memos, she would have come up at once, instead.
Dear AMDG&BVMH,
It appears that the physical in question was due July, 1972.
Nonetheless, Col. Staudt retired in March.
This secretary is just another Dem liar.
sitetest
If I understand what she is saying correctly, Staudt put pressure on Killian, but before he retired (18 months before the memo was supposedly written). In the chronology of the events, what would be the evidence of pressure that had been exerted 18 months earlier? In fact, who would receive pressure from a short-timer? It must have been exerted even earlier. So when was the pressure supposedly exerted, and what benefits accrued to Bush for it?
Something in her story just smells bad. I think her politics are informing her memory.
Nah, they would have aired her anyway. Heck, they've regurgitated all the rest of the minutia on this.
Now, I do think a Rat has gotten to her recently, which is why she's spewing the talking points. But that doesn't mean what you're suggesting.
So what it comes down to is the only "proof" CBS and the DNC have is the word of an 85 year old lady about something that happened 30 years ago, and who believes that Bush is unqualified to be President and who won't vote for him. No credible documentation or other witnesses. In addition, the family members contradict her. Is this the basis for a CBS news report?
There is still the issue of who did the forgeries and committed a felony. Also, what part did CBS play in the forgeries - did they just accept them, with the knowledge that they were probably fake, or did they actually have a part in constructing them? And who else was involved in this affair?
When Rats type something it is seared, seared in their memory!
good one!
They KNOW this is killing them, but now they have even bigger problems, namely the Kerry campaign staff is in free-fall. The Clintonistas are (heheheh) sabotaging the efforts.
I've predicted here that if you start to see DNC money being moved TO THE SENATE CANDIDATES to save some seats or bolster others (like Murray, Reid) you know it's over. That's the next telltale signal.
I'll note that she lists number of young men whom she denigrates, them with their families, with the Guard. Four are named in that litany. There is a order to it -- I say, I am a close reader of people's words and dead on in many cases -- but not all, not all.
What is that order? It is a wrapping, the piggies that bother her are found wrapped in her own blanket, I say.
She says
" "Bush was not the only person of privilege who had a spot in the Guard. Senator [Lloyd] Bensen's nephew was in headquarters. There was a big jewelery store, Gordons. Their son was in the Guard. The owner of Batelstein's, a posh department store in the area, his son was in. The other kids couldn't get in like that. Hugh Roy Cullen's grandson was also in. He was a big oil man." "Let's read her innards, okay? She leads with Bush, an oilman's son and ends with Cullen's grandkid -- another oilman's son. She has problems with oilmen. And with the rich. She mentions Senator Bentsen's son right after Bush -- she hates politicians too. Who does't, to some extent. But she has her hate ready to go all done up in ordered lists! She loves her hate! So ready is she to list, to smear, to be disloyal by running-on-at-the-mouth to her professional ethos, to her employer, to her state.
And she loves her dislikes, her hates. Who does she dislike the MOST? Why JEWS!
Her piggies of hate are wrapped deep in that blanket -- "There was a big jewelery store, Gordons. Their son was in the Guard. The owner of Batelstein's, a posh department store in the area, his son was in. The other kids couldn't get in like that. ". Pushy mercantile Jew boys -- how she dispises them! (Posh = pushy).
I bet George Bush liked the jew boys, was pals with them! There's HER problems -- Dubya got on her wrong side so many ways. He was a rich oilman's son and he cozied up to the despised pushy rich jew boys. Nothing to do with his services, his service -- just HER spite, hatred, grudge-bearing and well-groomed prejudice.
(Just to note that I posted this prior at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1215427/replies?c=117)
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