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1 posted on 09/14/2004 4:46:07 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon

marking for a later read


2 posted on 09/14/2004 4:48:24 AM PDT by Iowa Granny (Proud to be associated with pajama wearing news gatherers)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Dumbass prosecutor


3 posted on 09/14/2004 4:49:01 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: Momaw Nadon

Farm work is among the most dangerous. This also happens in grain silos.


4 posted on 09/14/2004 4:49:26 AM PDT by Khurkris (Proud Scottish/HillBilly - We perfected "The Art of the Grudge")
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To: Momaw Nadon; farmfriend

over here


6 posted on 09/14/2004 4:52:25 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (I'm mad as Zell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!)
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To: Momaw Nadon

This is very confusing. I've been around farming forever and have never heard of a manure pit. Possibly a dairy farm where they spray down the floors and the waste is washed into a holding tank? The journalist didn't exactly follow through on the details, again. From the incomplete story, I'm more inclined to let the farmer off of murder charges and go with employing illegal aliens.


7 posted on 09/14/2004 4:54:00 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Momaw Nadon
"Mr. Faria was supposed to protect these individuals, and he didn't," said Mas.

I guess Faria should have taken these two with him or maybe found a sitter or day care center for them.

8 posted on 09/14/2004 4:54:06 AM PDT by sonofagun
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To: Momaw Nadon

Oh, crap, what a way to go!


9 posted on 09/14/2004 4:54:12 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Momaw Nadon

If manure is a murder weapon, Dan Rather could spend the rest of his days behind bars.


10 posted on 09/14/2004 4:54:26 AM PDT by T'wit (Believing in socialism is like believing your car will run on water if you just keep trying.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

This is a tragedy but it's not like it hasn't happened in farm work before.

Had this happened in in Iowa or Minnesota do you think there would still be a prosecution?

Is it possible that because the "victims" were Hispanic and the farmer was Angelo and it's in California has anything to do with it?


11 posted on 09/14/2004 4:59:06 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Partisan Political Operative)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Manure fatalities are always a possibility at a John F'n speech! :~)


12 posted on 09/14/2004 5:03:49 AM PDT by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: Momaw Nadon
jurors were being asked to answer was whether a crime was committed.

Nowhere in this story does it mention whether the two Mexicans were illegal, but if they were then the crime that was committed was hiring them in the first place.

Farm work is inherently dangerous. Any prosecutor who talks about "training" and "safety" doesn't know much about farm work, and probably lives in a city.

Farmers hire illegal workers because they're cheap. If farmers had to train and protect them there'd be no reason to hire them.

Illegals take dangerous work because they want some money, and sometimes they die. That's the facts of life, and city prosecutors won't change that until illegal immigration is halted.

16 posted on 09/14/2004 5:11:27 AM PDT by Noachian (in.ter.net n. Gatekeeper of the new media)
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To: Momaw Nadon
How do they know the sequence of events? There is no mention of anyone else there and yet they have a timeline of events?
19 posted on 09/14/2004 5:23:10 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Momaw Nadon
An Associated Press investigation found that Mexican workers often take the most dangerous jobs, and frequently perform them without adequate protection or training. The investigation found that an average of one Mexican worker dies every day in the United States. A Mexican is 80 percent more likely to die on the job than a native-born worker, the AP found.

It's anyone's fault but the mexicans'.

21 posted on 09/14/2004 5:29:35 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Momaw Nadon; gubamyster
Also from the same article:

The dairy's foreman, Alcino Sousa Nunes, has already pleaded no contest to violating an occupational safety law, for which he got three years probation, with no fines or jail time.

They want to find as many guilty as possible so as to set up a fine large enough to destroy the farm.

23 posted on 09/14/2004 5:32:02 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Momaw Nadon
Alatorre, 24, was the first to squeeze through a narrow opening of the 40-foot pit to unclog a pipe.

Sounds like the workers tried to solve a problem they shouldn't have been working on - should have called the (on-the-road) boss, or waited. Need more facts (another incompetent/incomplete AP article).

28 posted on 09/14/2004 5:41:13 AM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Sh!t happens.


30 posted on 09/14/2004 5:45:33 AM PDT by Manic_Episode
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To: Momaw Nadon

I remember a guy who fell into a pool of that stuff and drowned. He tried to swim but couldn't. He could only go through the movements.


31 posted on 09/14/2004 5:50:34 AM PDT by 8mmMauser
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To: Momaw Nadon

Step AWAY from the manure pit!

Shi**y job.....


32 posted on 09/14/2004 6:06:47 AM PDT by Don Simmons (I'm damn proud of MY medals - because I earned them!)
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