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RATHER FORGES AHEAD
New York Post ^ | 9/11/04 | DDEBORAH ORIN and VINCENT MORRIS

Posted on 09/11/2004 12:19:33 AM PDT by kattracks

September 11, 2004 -- CBS anchor Dan Rather hung tough last night and insisted there's no "definitive evidence" to refute the authenticity of documents about President Bush's National Guard service — but a growing number of document experts smell a hoax. "If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it. So far there is none," Rather insisted.

He produced a man named Marcel Matley as the document vetter.

But Matley is primarily a handwriting expert whose expertise in document evaluation has been challenged by the head of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners.

Matley spoke only about a signature and initials purported to be those of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian — "they are his signatures" — though two of the four memos are unsigned.

Rather also acknowledged CBS has no originals, only photocopies.

Allan Haley — a typeface expert at Agfa Monotype — said anyone who claims to definitively authenticate a photocopy "is either guessing or is a fool."

In another challenge to CBS, Killian's boss, retired Maj. Gen. Bobby W. Hodges, told ABC News that he regards the documents as a computer "fraud," never saw them in the 1970s and didn't validate them for CBS.

A senior CBS official had claimed to the Washington Post that Hodges had validated the documents.

During his national news broadcast, Rather claimed "partisan political operatives" are challenging the memos but omitted the fact that Killian's widow and son dispute them.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; forgery; killian; rather
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To: kattracks
RATHER FORGES AHEAD By DEBORAH ORIN and VINCENT MORRIS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email Archives Print Reprint September 11, 2004 -- CBS anchor Dan Rather hung tough last night and insisted there's no "definitive evidence" to refute the authenticity of documents about President Bush's National Guard service — but a growing number of document experts smell a hoax. "If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it. So far there is none," Rather insisted. He produced a man named Marcel Matley as the document vetter.

But Matley is primarily a handwriting expert whose expertise in document evaluation has been challenged by the head of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners.

What does this sort of sophistry tell us about CBS' assumptions about our intelligence?

41 posted on 09/11/2004 12:37:05 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Crazieman

Completely Authentic

Image Link

42 posted on 09/11/2004 12:37:54 AM PDT by Arnold Zephel
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY

I believe that is her pajamas.


43 posted on 09/11/2004 12:39:24 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Crazieman

Rather is a liar and should be fired.


44 posted on 09/11/2004 12:39:33 AM PDT by patriciamary
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To: kattracks

CBS, Rather, Kerry, and the DNC are circling the bowl at an increasing rate of speed!


45 posted on 09/11/2004 12:40:26 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch

46 posted on 09/11/2004 12:40:41 AM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Gibtx

"go for the wallets..."

Pressure on the sponsors means pressure on the directors to force Rather to step down. FReep the sponsors!! CBS doesn't care what you think.


47 posted on 09/11/2004 12:41:03 AM PDT by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
You are just plain sinister big time political operative who just happens to do Bush's dirty work in his pajamas.

I wonder what those pajamas would bring on eBay.

49 posted on 09/11/2004 12:43:26 AM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
QUOTE:

Imagine what it's going to be like to prove that anonymous e-mails from the turn of the century are fake 40 years from now.

Excellent point. I was wondering the same thing. Even faced with overwhelming evidence that these memos are forgeries. The Demosocialists on all the cable talk shows are defending the indefensible.

50 posted on 09/11/2004 12:43:50 AM PDT by Arnold Zephel
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To: claudiustg
Personally I like the term "swirling in the bowl". I have distrusted SeeBS for many years, but this week shows they aren't 1/2 as good as a High School prankster!

Nam Vet

51 posted on 09/11/2004 12:45:19 AM PDT by Nam Vet (I couldn't live a day without my VRWC Decoder Ring)
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To: Nam Vet

They're crooks!


52 posted on 09/11/2004 12:49:51 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Arnold Zephel

I for one am emailing myself every single combination of every word in the english language, just so I can be an "expert whistleblower" 40 years from now.


53 posted on 09/11/2004 12:50:52 AM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Poincare

"Matley comes up from Google as a "graphologist" and has authored books on how your handwriting shows your personallity."

CREDENTIALS:

Certification with commendation, Paul de Sainte Colombe Center, January 28, 1981

Awarded Charter Membership Certificate for professional excellence, Paul de Sainte Colombe Center, April 8, 1982.

Consultant and mentor to other document examiners.

Honorary membership, National Questioned Document Association, March 1992.
Consulted by Texas Education Agency, Proprietary Schools Div. and other agencies.

San Francisco Tax Registration Certificate. Expiration date: 12-31-95

Activity Approval, Committee on Minimum Continuing Legal Education, The State Bar of California, March 27, 1995


Anyone who pads their creds with a "tax registration certificate" becomes somewhat suspect to me right off the bat. None of the rest really looks all that exciting either.

This is the "expert" who certified the memos as authentic by looking at the signatures and initials on the memos that had even that minimal COPIED handwriting? Rather is toast.


54 posted on 09/11/2004 12:52:40 AM PDT by Unruly Human (An Khe, Pleiku, DakTo 68-69)
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To: kattracks

cBS and Dan Rather are so transparent..I am so sick of the OLD MEDIA...I hope this blows up in the DIMs face...Leftists are so desperate..it is pathetic. Now next week it's gonna be the Kitty Kelley BS..I wrote NBC/Today a nasty email already....


55 posted on 09/11/2004 12:56:13 AM PDT by visualize-no-libs (Beware the enemy within.....)
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To: Lancey Howard
... it is that Dan Rather and CBS were the victims of a hoax that was not elaborate in the slightest.

Dan was probably so thrilled to have been given what he thought was a damaging piece of information about President Bush that he didn't want to find anything wrong with it.

56 posted on 09/11/2004 12:58:01 AM PDT by kattracks (http://www.swiftvets.com/)
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To: kattracks
In my mind, if you aid and abet a terrorism, you are a terrorist. So if Rather is aiding and abetting a forgery, doesn't that make him a forger?
57 posted on 09/11/2004 12:59:06 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Kerry fled while good men bled.)
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To: Arnold Zephel
Oh, my gawd! At this late hour, did I ever need the laughter your wonderful image provided. Thank you, thank you, thank you! It's a genuine keeper . . .
Best regards,

Penny

58 posted on 09/11/2004 1:01:18 AM PDT by Penny
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To: Arnold Zephel

LOL! Very good!


59 posted on 09/11/2004 1:01:39 AM PDT by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: Unruly Human
Certification with commendation, Paul de Sainte Colombe Center, January 28, 1981

Did a google on Paul de.......

It's about pen and pencil therapy!!!!!!!! The guys a loon

60 posted on 09/11/2004 1:05:08 AM PDT by Poincare
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