Posted on 09/10/2004 4:08:34 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
There were attacks today on the CBS News "60 Minutes" report this week raising new questions about President Bush's Vietnam-era time in the Texas Air National Guard.
The questions raised by our report include:
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— Did a wealthy Texas oilman-friend of the Bush family use his influence with the speaker of the Texas House of Representatives .. to get George W. Bush a coveted slot in the National Guard .. keeping him out of the draft and any probable service IN Vietnam?
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— Did Lieutenant Bush refuse a direct order from his commanding officer?
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— Was Lieutenant. Bush suspended for failure to perform up to standards?
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— Did Lieutenant Bush ever take a physical he was required and ordered to take? If not, why not?
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— And did Lieutenant Bush, in fact, complete his commitment to the Guard?
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These questions grew out of new witnesses and new evidence — including documents written by Lieutenant Bush's squadron commander.
Today, on the internet and elsewhere, some people — including many who are partisan political operatives — concentrated not on the key questions the overall story raised but on the documents that were part of the support of the story.
They alleged the documents are FAKE.
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EVENING NEWS/RATHER
9-10-04
TRACK: MANY OF THOSE RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CBS DOCUMENTS HAVE FOCUSED ON SOMETHING CALLED SUPERSCRIPT...
A KEY THAT AUTOMATICALLY TYPES A RAISED "TH". CRITICS CLAIM TYPEWRITERS DIDN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY IN THE 70S.
BUT SOME MODELS DID....
IN FACT, OTHER BUSH MILITARY RECORDS ALREADY RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE ITSELF SHOW THE SAME SUPERSCRIPT.
HERE'S ONE..... FROM 1968.
SOME ANALYSTS OUTSIDE CBS SAY THEY BELIEVE THE TYPEFACE ON THESE MEMOS IS NEW TIMES ROMAN.... WHICH THEY CLAIM WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE 1970S.
BUT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY THAT DISTRIBUTES THIS TYPING STYLE.... SAYS IT HAS BEEN AVAILABE SINCE 1931.
DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY ANALYZED THE DOCUMENTS FOR CBS NEWS.
HE SAYS HE BELIEVES THEY ARE REAL...BUT IS CONCERNED ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING EXAMINED BY SOME OF THE PEOPLE QUESTIONING THE DOCUMENTS....
BECAUSE DETIORATION OCCURS EACH TIME A DOCUMENT IS REPRODUCED.....
AND THE DOCUMENTS BEING ANALYZED OUTSIDE OF CBS HAVE
BEEN PHOTOCOPIED, FAXED, SCANNED AND DOWNLOADED.... AND ARE FAR REMOVED FROM THE DOCUMENTS CBS STARTED WITH.
DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY DID THIS INTERVIEW WITH US PRIOR TO THE 60 MINUTES BROADCAST.
HE LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS AND THE SIGNATURES OF COLONEL JERRY KILLIAN.... COMPARING KNOWN DOCUMENTS WITH THE COLONEL'S SIGNATURE ON THE NEWSLY DISCOVERED ONES.
1:01:08
SOT/MATLEY "WE LOOK BASICALLY AT WHAT'S CALLED SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT FEATURES TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S THE SAME PERSON OR NOT..../// I HAVE NO PROBLEM IDENTIFYING THEM. ///
I WOULD SAY BASED ON OUR AVAILABLE HANDWRITING EVIDENCE, YES. THIS IS THE SAME PERSON."
TRACK: MATLEY FINDS THE SIGNAT'URES TO BE SOME OF THE MOST COMPELLING EVIDENCE...
WE TALKED TO HIM TODAY BY SATELLITE.
14:32:58
SOT/MATLEY "SINCE IT IS REPRESENTED THAT SOME OF THEM ARE DEFINITELY HIS... THEN WE CAN CONCLUDE THEY ARE HIS SIGNATURES."
14:33:30
SOT/DAN "ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT QUESTIONS COME ABOUT THESE. WE'RE NOT, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'RE SURPRISED."
SOT/MATLEY "I KNEW GOING IN THAT THIS WAS DYNAMITE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND I KNEW THAT POTENTIALLY IT COULD DO FAR MORE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO ME PROFESSIONALLY THAN BENEFIT ME. AND I KNEW THAT. BUT WE SEEK THE TRUTH. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT YOURSELF OUT. TO SEEK THE TRUTH AND TAKE WHAT COMES FROM IT."
TRACK: ROBERT STRONG WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD DURING THE VIETNAM YEARS.
HE KNEW JERRY KILLIAN, THE MAN CREDITED WITH WRITING THE DOCUMENTS.... AND PAPER WORK... LIKE THESE DOCUMENTS...WAS HIS SPECIALTY.
HE IS STANDING BY HIS JUDGEMENT THAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE REAL.
1:23:47
SOT/DAN "WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT THESE ARE GENUINE/"
SOT/STRONG "WELL,, THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE WAY BUSINESS WAS DONE AT THAT TIME. THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAN I REMEMBER JERRY KILLIAN BEING. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT'S DISCORDANT WITH WHAT WERE THE TIMES, THE SITUATION OR THE PEOPLE INVOLVED."
TRACK: STRONG SAYS THE HIGHLY CHARGED POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE OF THE GUARD AT THE TIME... WAS PERFECTLY REPRESENTED IN THE NEW DOCUMENT.S
2:10:53
SOT/STRONG "IT VERGED ON OUTRIGHT CORRUPTION IN TERMS OF THE FAVORS THAT WERE DONE, THE POWER THAT WAS TRADED. AND IT WAS
UNCONSCIONABLE. FROM A MORAL AND ETHICAL STANDPOINT. IT WAS UNCONSCIONABLE."
TRACK: IT IS THE INFORMATION IN THE NEW DOCUMENTS THAT IS MOST COMPELLING FOR PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH PRESIDENT BUSH'S RECORD IN THE NATIONAL GUARD.
13:29:28
SOT/DAN "YOU'VE STUDIED PRESIDENT BUSH'S RECORDS FOR 10 YEARS.. ARE THESE DOCUMENTS CONSISTENT WITH TE RECORD AS YOU KNOW IT."
13:29:38
SOT/MOORE "THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY CONSISTENT WITH THE RECORDS AS I KNOW IT."
13:38:26
SOT/DAN "PUT IT IN CONTEXT AND PERSPECTIVE FOR US ... THE STORY AND WHAT WE CALL THE COUNTERATTACK ON THE STORY. WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW?
13:38:38
SOT/MOORE "I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS SOME INCRIMINATING DOCUMENTS HAVE COME OUT. THE WHITE HOUSE, YOU SHOULD REMEMBER, HAS NOT DISCREDITED THE DOCUMENTS. THEY'RE RELYING ON THE BLOGOSPHERE AND OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT. BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE PROBABLY KNOWS THESE DOCUMENTS ARE IN FACT REAL."
Dan Rather: "I did not have sex with that word processor..."
after the section "...AND ARE FAR REMOVED FROM THE DOCUMENTS CBS STARTED WITH." I thought he said something like "which were copies themselves" or something like that.
The vile scumbag DARED to complain that some of those calling him out are republicans??? When they got this garbage from the Kerry campaign??? When Barnes is a Vice Director of the Kerry Campaign??
Isnt it part of the cherished Democrat-Liberal playbook, that when caught inb an out and out LIE, the strategy is to
DENY
DENY
DENY
And force your opponents on the defensive by challenging THEM to provide proof of your lies.
For CBS to admit a lie after just one or two days of publicity would go against the lib playbook. Especially when they think we will all lose focus on this issue because of the 9/11 anniversary tomorrow and the weekend football games.
SLEAZE... thy name is CBS.
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Okay. Seems that Dan Rather has really stirred stuff up quite a bit. Tonight, I watched his BS defense of his "60 Minutes" BS story Wednesday night. I NEVER change my TV News from FOX News with RARE exception. Today was one. Dan Rather is a real piece of work, I tell ya.
Somehow, I think old Gunga Dan has really got folks bent out of shape. I'll just say that "I'm ashamed that Dan Rather is from Texas!!!!!!"
Whoops! Sorry. That turned out to be 2 lines! :^)
Yes folks, all that scanning and downloading has centered and spaced the words on the document perfectly.
BEEN PHOTOCOPIED, FAXED, SCANNED AND DOWNLOADED.... AND ARE FAR REMOVED FROM THE DOCUMENTS CBS STARTED WITH. >>>
What a stupid statement, stupid. So CBS you are saying that the copies you have placed for download are 3-4 or 5 times removed from the original? And therefore means there degradation calls into question the fact that they are forged or not? OMG that is so stupid. WHy would you place the 5th genetation copy for download when you could place the first generation up? And why wouldnt CBS have the Budget to have a high quality replication available for download?
Bump you, too, if I missed you. Sorry 'bout that. :^D
"A KEY THAT AUTOMATICALLY TYPES A RAISED "TH". CRITICS CLAIM TYPEWRITERS DIDN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY IN THE 70S.
BUT SOME MODELS DID.... "
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Did they also not merely RAISE the "th" but also make the "th" a much smaller font, in this case from 12-pitch to 8-pitch?
AND WHY WASN'T THE "TH" ALSO RAISED AT THE TOP OF THE DOCUMENT IN THE SQUADRON LETTERHEAD? Did they use a DIFFERENT typewriter for the top of the letterhead? (Yes, they could have had it sent out to a stationer, but a stationer would have given them a font a little fancier -- and least different -- from the font of their typewriters, which turns out to be the exact same font by appearances.
I am sure that Dr. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of Dan and what he has accomplished this week. After all Dr. Goebbels was one of the great proponents of the "big lie" theory of propaganda dn Dan Rather sure has purpetrated a whopper on the public with no desire to change his story even if the source documents are obvious fakes.
Right out of the Kerry defaming the military playbook. They get some ex vet to say the National Guard was such a corrupt culture that these allegations are consistent with --- whatever they want to make up. That is just an incredible lame tactic!
It's the Clinton strategy at work:
DENY
DELAY
DISTRACT
DISCREDIT
SOME ANALYSTS OUTSIDE CBS SAY THEY BELIEVE THE TYPEFACE ON THESE MEMOS IS NEW TIMES ROMAN.... WHICH THEY CLAIM WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE 1970S.
BUT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY THAT DISTRIBUTES THIS TYPING STYLE.... SAYS IT HAS BEEN AVAILABE SINCE 1931.
what Dan did not tell you
(BUT NOT ON REGULAR OFFICE TYPEWRITERS!
Cool-a-RENO!!! Now, I'm a partisan operative. Thanks, for the new job, Dan!
Without getting into the technicalities of fonts, superscripting and kerning, what blew the "authenticity" of the documents for me were two specific ones: the one titled "CYA" and the one titled "Discussion with Lt. Bush". In neither case, did the content or subject matter of these two memos strike me as being even remotely plausible. In the political atmosphere of the military, particularly among senior officers, no one in their right mind would have a memo laying around titled "CYA".
In particular, a senior officer desiring to remain in the military would NEVER turn such a document over to be typed by a subordinate on unit letterhead. Regardless of where it ends up, in Bush's service jacket or in Col. Killian's personal files, from the time it leaves his hand until the formally typed memo is handed back, ANYTHING can happen to that memo. That's not a scenario a prudent senior officer would ever countenance in his/her right mind.
The second memo, titled "Discussion with Lt. Bush" is strictly infantile. Any senior officer who documents the difficulty of having to continually "sugar-coat" a junior officer's evaluations is openly admitting that he/she is unfit for command. If this is the biggest problem this Col. has in an organization that may have to go to war and he may have to send pilots on one-way missions, if sugar-coating evaluations is a big issue, sending pilots on missions will be an impossible task. Again, this would NEVER be something that would be memorialized in writing, in a formal memo, typed by a clerk on unit letterhead.
These issues about these two memos strike me as being so outlandish as to be nothing other than the figment of someone's fertile imagination; trying to make leftist allegations fit into these memos to try and make Bush look bad.
As FReepers have noted many times, Bush didn't run for President based on his NG record and Bush has authorized the complete release of all his military records. Kerry, however, is a completely different story and, rather than re-hash the laundry list on this, I'll leave it at that.
Some typewriters or type balls had "th" as a character, along with "st", "nd", and "rd". I forget which keys, but possibly the "[" and "]" keys, in shifted and unshifted forms.
But the odds of such a character being just the right width in a proportional font (even if it existed) are pretty incredibly remote.
i haven't checked, but has cbs's stock dropped. this is a disaster as bad as the florida hurricanes. There credibility is at issue and every time the open their mouths, their reputation diminishes. This one is over, we are just waiting for the body count.
You know, Moore was probably on defending the documents because he's the one that faked them.
It is so weird that they would have a fake documentary maker to vouch for fake documents. I mean, surreal.
Someone's passing around the brown acid from Woodstock.
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