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Signature on CBS documents don't match original
Powerline ^ | 9/9/04

Posted on 09/09/2004 8:01:36 PM PDT by Cableguy

The signatures on the CBS documents do not appear to be authentic. Check out the two signatures below, courtesy of Michele Catalano of The Command Post. The one on the left is an actual signature of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian. The one on the right is from one of the CBS documents. It's not even close; in fact, it doesn't even look like the person who signed it made any attempt to copy Killian's signature:

Since I posted this, a number of readers have written to disagree with me--they think the signature on the right is a crude effort at forgery. Dafydd ab Hugh's characteristically thorough and brilliant analysis is too long to include here, and Diana Magrann also argues persuasively that the signature is an attempt at a forgery.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbs; forgery; jerrykillian; killian; seebsnews
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Even the signature doesn't match
1 posted on 09/09/2004 8:01:38 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy
From Pg. 31 of this pdf file.......

Pg. 33.......

From the Killian memo.....


2 posted on 09/09/2004 8:03:05 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Cableguy

A Bank would call the police on anyone trying to cash a check with that lame forgery


3 posted on 09/09/2004 8:03:47 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: Cableguy

I think the signatures look like they were made by the same person. My bet is the signature is a copy and paste of an authentic Killian signature from another document.

What would be more damning than two signatures which are not identical would be to find another Killian signature absolutely identical to the one in the suspect document. That would be the sig which was used to do the copy and paste.


4 posted on 09/09/2004 8:04:44 PM PDT by alnick (US forces armed with what? Spitballs??)
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To: Cableguy

One COULD be his secretary however.

But I'm sure they are frauds.


5 posted on 09/09/2004 8:05:07 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second (Conservative Anti-Smoker))
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To: Cableguy
RATHERLIES
6 posted on 09/09/2004 8:05:28 PM PDT by timestax
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To: alnick

Yes, I think the signatures are the same. I'm no expert, but I know the variance of my signature. It varies by my mood.


7 posted on 09/09/2004 8:06:15 PM PDT by Torie
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To: hole_n_one
Another thing....

In my entire Navy career, I cannot recall ever writing my rank without adding "USNR".

8 posted on 09/09/2004 8:08:02 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Cableguy

If they were trying to forge the signature, they could at least have put forth a little effort and made sure the huge "K" in each signature had the same direction of curvature.

If you're going to forge something, take a little pride in your work, you know what I mean?


9 posted on 09/09/2004 8:08:26 PM PDT by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: Cableguy
What are you talking about? CBS and the TODAY show located G.W. Bush's Air National Guard commander that was in Texas!!! The Media DO NOT LIE! Look below.


10 posted on 09/09/2004 8:08:43 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Cableguy

The "attempt at forgery" signature is much too curvy compared to the original. Also, why would Lt Col Killian type it that way (Lt Col) in one instance and Lt. Colonel in another?


11 posted on 09/09/2004 8:09:23 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Torie

Cashiers are taught to look at the first letters of the names, most just scribble after that. It's quick and usually effective.


12 posted on 09/09/2004 8:09:58 PM PDT by tioga
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To: SkyPilot

< satire >


13 posted on 09/09/2004 8:10:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Torie
Me too. Mine varies by the six pack.
14 posted on 09/09/2004 8:10:14 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: Torie

Forget the signature, Proportional Font on the bottom one. That didn't come from a typewriter.


15 posted on 09/09/2004 8:10:21 PM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: Cableguy

Look at post #2. The "L" are looped on the forgeries but not on the original. Even if the signature varies, a person either loops or they don't on documents. That doesn't change. Yep, forgeries big time.


16 posted on 09/09/2004 8:10:43 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Torie

What is also key here is the CBS docs show that after the typed rank - there is NO designation indicating TX ANG - which is standard (OR USAF, etc)


17 posted on 09/09/2004 8:11:09 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: Torie

Disagree. There is no way those two signatures are from the same person. I know how my signature has changed in my nearly-50 years; no way it's that different. Just look at the letter "J", as one small example.

The smell of this just gets worse the closer you get to it.


18 posted on 09/09/2004 8:11:11 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Torie

While it may be true that our signatures can to some degree reflect our moods, there are certain identifying traits that do not really change. The slash-dotted "i" for example, or the curve of a "k".


19 posted on 09/09/2004 8:12:31 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: hole_n_one

That bottom one looks suspiciously like JFK. ;-)


20 posted on 09/09/2004 8:12:35 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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