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New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]
CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:33:57 AM PDT by TastyManatees

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 60minutes; bush; camejo; cbs; ccrm; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; forgery; fraud; gwb; kerry; killian; nader; napalminthemorning; nationalguard; pilot; seebsnews; texas
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To: Blood of Tyrants
In 1978 we used IBM Selectrics. To make everything fit into certain spaces, we had to hand-scroll and physically force the platen into strange positions to insure that OER's were done within boundaries.

That was my 2cents. (BTW, back then there was a "cent" symbol on the keyboard!)
801 posted on 09/09/2004 4:57:34 PM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: calenel

Actually IMB Executive typewriters did use proportional fonts, according to people who have used them in the past.


802 posted on 09/09/2004 4:58:49 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: dsc
However, that wasn't done for the "th" up in the letterhead of the same memo.

As far as I'm concerned, the superscript is a dead giveaway. The fact that it only appears in that one place says to me that MS Word changed it automatically, and the forger didn't notice.

We have gone through the balls and we do not have a "th".

803 posted on 09/09/2004 4:59:03 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: bannie

I miss that cent symbol...


804 posted on 09/09/2004 5:00:05 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: ChefKeith

Ouch! I would rather see the flare gun placed in reverse so it can launch him to "where abouts unknown!"


805 posted on 09/09/2004 5:00:30 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: sinkspur

I located this on the link shown. So the memos didn't come from an IBM Selectric.

IBM Selectric"> eliminated the jams that affected earlier designs of electric typewriter. The typeball design had many advantages, especially in eliminating of "jams" when more than one key was struck at once, and in the ability to change the typeball, allowing multiple fonts to be used in a single document. Selectric mechanisms were widely incorporated into computer terminals in the 1970s, because the typing mechanism was fast and jam-free; could be initiated by a short, low-force mechanical action; and did not require the movement of a heavy "type basket" in order to shift between lower- and upper-case.

Later models of Selectrics replaced inked fabric ribbons with "carbon film" ribbons that had a dry black or colored powder on a "once-thru" clear plastic tape. These could be used only once but they were in a cartridge that was simple to replace. They also introduced auto-correction, where a sticky tape in front of the print ribbon could remove the black-powdered image of a typed character, and introduced selectable "pitch" so that the typewriter could be switched among pica ("10 pitch"), elite ("12 pitch"), and sometimes agate ("15 pitch"), even in one document. Even so, all Selectrics were monospaced -- each and every character was the same width. Although IBM had produced a successful typebar-based machine, the IBM Executive, with proportional spacing, no proportionally-spaced Selectric office typewriter was ever introduced. There was, however, a much more expensive proportionally-spaced machine called the Selectric Composer which was considered a typesetting machine rather than a typewriter.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/typewriter


806 posted on 09/09/2004 5:01:14 PM PDT by jimthewiz
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I miss it too.

:(

What were "they" thinking?


807 posted on 09/09/2004 5:02:49 PM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: MistyCA

He would just think is was an overzealous hamster, besides then We couldn't watch the flames come out his nose;)


808 posted on 09/09/2004 5:04:33 PM PDT by ChefKeith (Life is GREAT with CoCo..........NASCAR...everything else is just a game!(Except War & Love))
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To: TaxRelief

You can look at the various versions of Times New Roman on the Linotype website. I agree that it was used for Linotype machines.

I also know what a Linotype machine looks like, my mother used to set type for the Louisiana legislature, among others, using a Linotype machine.

It took up a room, set type in melted metal slugs that would cool and be chunked into a pot, then set by hand. The slugs were lines of type, thus the name - "line of type" = linotype.

My mother did the typing, not the hand setting, when she used the Linotype.


809 posted on 09/09/2004 5:05:48 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: jimthewiz

Well, maybe Killian was a professional typesetter using his professional typesetting machine at work.

That's what they'll say, no?


810 posted on 09/09/2004 5:07:33 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: jimthewiz

Your Nationmaster link is incorrect.

Go to the IBM website for accurate info.

http://www.ibm.com/Search?v=11&lang=en&cc=us&q=selectric&Search.x=0&Search.y=0


811 posted on 09/09/2004 5:09:22 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: The Bandit
AS I REMEMBER DATES:

A date was either,

04MAY72, 02JUN72, 24SEP72

or

04 May 1972, 2 June 1972, 24 September 1972

I do know that you could not add the "19" when the dates were run together, that the month would only be in capital letters when run together with the numbers, that there was no comma--ever.
812 posted on 09/09/2004 5:09:25 PM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: Rokke
Rokke: "I haven't read this thread, but I believe the White House issued these same documents. Is the White House issuing forgaries. The entire issue is irrelevent. It is a tempest in a teapot. Nobody has, or will vote for Bush based on his Guard experience."

You're not up on the facts reported today. The WH, upon request, sent out a copy of the same fax CBS had sent them within the previous 24 hours.

813 posted on 09/09/2004 5:09:33 PM PDT by DWPittelli
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To: ChefKeith

LOL. Yeah, you're right!


814 posted on 09/09/2004 5:11:44 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: bad company

Yes, it had a curved apostrophe on most of the fonts.


815 posted on 09/09/2004 5:12:18 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: MistyCA

I have bombarded FOX NEWS with emails - Hannity, OReilly and their general email address as their website FOXnews.com. we should all do the same! The big news is that big news is ignoring this. It may not be resolved yet BUT it is NEWS!


816 posted on 09/09/2004 5:13:35 PM PDT by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: sinkspur

Not exactly.

Later models of Selectrics replaced inked fabric ribbons with "carbon film" ribbons that had a dry black or colored powder on a "once-thru" clear plastic tape. These could be used only once but they were in a cartridge that was simple to replace. They also introduced auto-correction, where a sticky tape in front of the print ribbon could remove the black-powdered image of a typed character, and introduced selectable "pitch" so that the typewriter could be switched among pica ("10 pitch"), elite ("12 pitch"), and sometimes agate ("15 pitch"), even in one document. Even so, all Selectrics were monospaced -- each and every character was the same width. Although IBM had produced a successful typebar-based machine, the IBM Executive, with proportional spacing, no proportionally-spaced Selectric office typewriter was ever introduced. There was, however, a much more expensive proportionally-spaced machine called the Selectric Composer which was considered a typesetting machine rather than a typewriter.


817 posted on 09/09/2004 5:15:47 PM PDT by calenel (The Democratic Party is the Socialist Mafia. It is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: Sacajaweau
The IBM Executive (not Selectric) didn't use balls, it was a fixed set of keys. It did have a superscript "tm" (for trademark) There were a couple of different models of Executive typewriters, I only had to use the one (thank goodness!) and I don't remember a superscript "th", only "tm" and I think the copyright symbol but I'm not sure about that. I never worked with a proportional IBM Selectric -- again, thank goodness!! Folks forget before computers how HARD using proportional fonts is -- I remember using my first word processor back in '84 (it used those "disk of keys" thingie like your Brother did and eight inch floppy disks), I was thrilled with how professional all the proportional spacing was!

Honestly, if they wanted to forge a document, wouldn't you put a little more thought into it? If this turns out to be forged somebody should be given a ticket for stupidity. There are lots and lots of free "typewriter" fonts on the web designed to look like old monospace typewriters and even to look like old teletype machines, why would you be so foolish as to not use one of those?

818 posted on 09/09/2004 5:16:09 PM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: MistyCA; RedBloodedAmerican

Thanks for the ping. As I said on another thread:

I thought one site had a great line:

"It's getting to the point where if it were not for the obvious coordination with the Kerry campaign, the New York Times could probably file papers as a 527."

http://www.etalkinghead.com/archives/ny-times-prints-unverifiable-charges-against-bush-2004-09-09.html



819 posted on 09/09/2004 5:16:55 PM PDT by Amore (Go, Swifties, go!)
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To: MistyCA
How about I ping half the world to this important development.

thanks for the ping...
I just about had a freakin' stroke when I heard Medved mention this development on his
radio show this afternoon at about 2:30PM Pac Time (KRLA 870AM in Los Angeles)...
820 posted on 09/09/2004 5:21:47 PM PDT by VOA
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