Posted on 08/29/2004 11:18:49 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
Thousands of activists marched across the Brooklyn Bridge on Saturday to promote abortion rights and family planning two days before the start of the Republican National Convention, which has a strong anti-abortion platform.
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Organizers described the rally as nonpolitical and nonpartisan, but many marchers carried signs mocking President Bush and the Republican Party. Some carried posters promoting the candidacy of Sen. John F. Kerry.
Kerry's sister, Peggy Kerry, addressed the crowd, saying her message boiled down to "a four-letter word: Vote."
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Doesn't she mean, "effing vote"?
I watched clips of the protest on the news here. There's no way the protest came even close to being 25,000; I'd put it at about 10,000 plus. And Kathleen Turner's only 50, but she looks at least a decade older.
Who wants to take bets that a fair number of these cretins were the same jackwits who screamed "babykiller" at our troops returning from 'Nam?
I'd say it's time these genocidal Leftists got a taste of their own medicine.
The local news here in New Zealand (yes, unfortunately government owned TV http://www.tvnz.co.nz ) says there are 400,000! They didn't mention this but my Dad remarked most look like middle-aged to seniors i.e. ageing hippie generation. Radio news reports from Asia says "tens of thousands".
So in reality how many are really there? Thanks.
PS: Ironically the government-owned TVNZ news is the relatively least leftist news outlet. The privately owned TV3 (owned by Canada's CanWest http://www.tc3.co.nz ) and Australian-owned Prime ( http://www.primetv.co.nz ) are even more pathetic. One (TV3) even openly put the caption "Bush: the Professional Fascist" at the end of its TV news during the credits section.
Sunday's march by the Garden was the big one. The New York Times is saying 500,000, which is even more than the organizers originally claimed after the march (their own number was 400,000). But the AP says they were told by a law enforcement official that it was 120,000, which is about right, I think.
As for the protestors, the Times played up the families, and the really old people. But I would say, from what I saw on CSPAN, that the crowd was extremely white, with a combination of the usual suspects of young radicals and 60s retreads. And there were Kerry signs in the crowd, as well as some pretty obscene anti-Bush ones. Very few people in the crowd looked like typical Americans, that's for sure.
Yep, apparently Lefties have two things they're passionate about: killing babies and making asses of themselves.
I wonder just how many of these protesters came from Canada or other foreign countries. Before my sister moved to England, she lived in Toronto and people were bused from there to New York for various large protests. I noted my displeasure at such antics. She is still quite anti-USA and anti-Bush, of course.
As a note, she mentioned to me one time that she thought Bill Clinton was quite conservative. I was speachless. That makes here a Marxist.
Oh I see NYCVirago. Didn't know there were more than one marches. But anyway, it seems to confirm our hypothesis that these are the looney left (ageing boomers). From what I read from various articles it seems to me NYC has plenty of looney left. Do they really constitute the vast majority of New Yorkers? And are they also the who caused all the graffitis on NYC's subways in the 1970s?
Thanks again for the answers.
X_CDN_EH, I'm not surprised by your sister's remarks. I think the non-US West really tolerated rather than liked Clinton, and the thought "Yeah, this guy [Clinton] is far right, to be sure, but who from America isn't far right? Besides, if a Republican happens to be the USA President it would have been infinitely worse." is extremely widespread here as well. I would say that puts her on the centre-left by Canada (and New Zealand, but NOT Australia) standards.
As a New Zealander, settle a score I have with a friend of mine. I've read New Zealand is much more conservative than IT USED TO BE in the early 80's. I understand it's still liberal but what's the climate like there now?
I think in a sense you are quite right - the knee-jerk anti-
Americanism is less now than the early 1990s when I came to NZ. And given that people are slowly discovering the 1980s anti-nukes campaigners, who are now Labour cabinet ministers, don't really care about nuclear disarmament, I think we could see a start of decline in anti-nuke pacifism small-mindedness soon. (Marian Hobbs publicly praising Iran's nuclear programme could well serve as the last straw on the camel's back).
Of course economically NZ is very conservative. Even Labour can't casually put any tax increase proposals on the table anymore. And on the WTO and trade policy front, we are on the good side.
But on the other hand, New Zealand is still a lot more like an English speaking version of Sweden rather than a smaller version of Australia. It is no ally of America - and very unapologetic to be in such a state. It practices a lot of moral equivalence on the foreign policy front, and does not see any application of morality on this area other than the usual Third World "social justice" tripes.
And if you are socially conservative (I'm a Christian) it seems things look even worse here - 100% of our Left and 80% of our Right is hostile to things like opposition to gay "marriages", etc. On education, health, superannuation, things are still very bad (and much worse for education, with replacement of marks by 'achievement standards' for secondary level external exam systems). And Maori issues...well, we have now reached a level where Maori "home rule" is now more or less out in the open.
Of course I see things as a lot more negatively given my exposure to how things are done in the US and East Asia. A lot of Kiwi Freepers here are "moderates" and they try to defend what's happening over here. I think a Freeper called "shaggy eel" is quite knowledgable on this so you can ask about his take on the current situation.
(Alternatively you may also check these boards:
NZPundit http://www.nzpundit.com
Silent Running http://www.silentrunning.tv
David Farrar http://kiwiblog.co.nz
Ping to shaggy eel!
It seems to me leftism is a feature everywhere among the inner city people in the Western world. The only major exception seems to be Sydney Australia, where moderates tend to dominate. I have no doubt Kerry will scoop up votes over here - if any US Democrat candidates happen to lose out votes to conservatives in Manhattan the sun would have risen from the West first! ;-)
But back to NYC. I had a chance to visit your city back in 1999 and the business districts and the PATH train reminded me a lot of my original hometown Hong Kong (heck, even the rudeness is a lot like HK, except New York usually English is spoken of course). All in all I quite enjoyed it because I knew New York had turned around from the really sorry state back in the 1970s/early 1980s - although I confess Hong Kong has really new infrastructure. Of course 9/11 is...sigh. Probably won't go back for another visit until every rebuilding has finished.
I'm still amazed how Guiliani got elected - from my impression New Yorkers back then would rather die than abandon the then-fashionable soft appeasement of crimes. Maybe New York has now entered the post-liberal (or at least moderate) era and we will see a lot of ridiculous socialist policies repealed day by day. We can only pray. (I always found America is a bit like two extremes - yes the conservatives are really good, but when you get to bureaucrats or socialism implemented, they could get monstrous in big cities - an interesting phenomenon)
Thanks for the comments on subway - I think the state it was in when I visited NYC (1999) was quite good. And I said this after I grew up with Hong Kong's MTR ( http://www.mtr.com.hk ) and trains ( http:www.kcr.com.hk )! Although I think stations could be cleaner, but then it is light years ahead of the suburban rail here in Auckland.
OK, here it is:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202828/posts
Listen for pronunciations such as 'oot' and 'aboot', for out and about, and of course 'zed' for Z.
Ping to our Canadian friends. Your countrymen are swamping down the border to the country they profess to hate in protesting. Please pay all the costs associated with crowd control and repatriation, thanks. ;-)
I thought I heard Fox News this morning say 200,000 to 500,000. Quite a range. They didn't cite a source.
As far as I'm concerned, Canadian Customs should refuse their buses return access to Canada.
My husband was listening to Neal Bortz today.
He said that Keery was so liberal on abortion that he voted for legislation that a doctor could allow a baby to die during a botched abortion where it was born alive. Supposedly even Ted Kennedy did not support this legislation.
Did anyone else here this?
I sure would like the details on this legislation.
He approves of killing babies.
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