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Manson Family Member Van Houten Loses Parole Bid
Reuters ^ | 25 August 2004

Posted on 08/25/2004 7:43:56 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

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To: Hildy
She's been a model prisoner, has helped many women who have passed through the prison

Perhaps, in the great scheme of things, she's precisely where she needs to be.

101 posted on 08/26/2004 11:06:35 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: KC_Conspirator
My wife said that Leslie fell in with a bad crowd after her Sophomore year - drugs and all that. They never associated after that.

This was Monrovia, CA, high school, BTW.

102 posted on 08/26/2004 11:07:33 AM PDT by snopercod (The oldest civil war of all, that between the city and the country, has resumed.)
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To: Hildy

Thanks...I was just wondering what, if any, standard there was..The board probably too nervous..it'll take a direct order by the governor..from what I've read, she should get out..the other reaso is that hope of parole is held out to all convicts as a way to regain their life, IF they obery the rules and work within the system..If they see it denied, unreasonably, then they lose reason to trust the system..


103 posted on 08/26/2004 11:10:53 AM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: ping jockey

I meant the merits of her parole case, and her behavior in prison..


104 posted on 08/26/2004 11:11:42 AM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: ken5050
there are evil people who should never get out...but some can be rehabilitated after a long time inside...

IMHO, the crimes which she participated in were beyond evil. What was done to both the LoBiancos and the Tate murders was horrendous and no matter how "rehabilitated" she gets in prison, she should never be allowed into society again.

I'm glad that she seems to have come to have a sense of real sorrow for what she did while with Charles Manson; but, that does not, IMO, mean that she should be let out. She must stay where she is at until she dies. There are just some things that don't become less horrible just because you are sincerely sorry.

105 posted on 08/26/2004 11:18:33 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

Question..did you read all my comments on this thread, or were you just replying to the first on?


106 posted on 08/26/2004 11:27:57 AM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: Savage Beast
Yes interesting...yet not surprising.
107 posted on 08/26/2004 11:39:53 AM PDT by codyjacksmom ("Tereeza Pleease...I need more allowance so I can hire someone to teach me how to throw like a boy")
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To: stumpy

I knew a prison guard from San Quentin that had Charlie on his block. He said Charlie was always nice, polite....even funny & charming. Then, when his parole hearings came up....he would turn on the crazy.


108 posted on 08/26/2004 12:20:20 PM PDT by Feiny (It's only your fault if you don't hate yourself enough to do something about it.)
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To: ken5050
I can get abuse from my wife, and still have sex..

Often at the same time.

109 posted on 08/26/2004 12:23:41 PM PDT by AmishDude (I am AmishDude and I approved this message before I disapproved it.)
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To: nomad
"They should have fried her years ago."

Californina was using the gas chamber then. Her sentence was commuted in 1972 when the California State Supreme Court overruled the death penalty, before it was re-legislated and re-instituted. Her sentence, as the others who had been convicted and sentenced to death, is now life with the possibility of parole.

110 posted on 08/26/2004 12:33:43 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: feinswinesuksass

I had very very few contacts with charlie. I worked in the Hall of Justice Jail from approx. Sept of 1969 to Jan 1970. His compatriot "tex" watson was one of the inmates in one of the cell blocks I was responsible for. This was prior to charlies' arrest.

The homocide detectives were able to crack the code in their correspondices that gave them critical info for an additional murder (not the LaBianca family or the Sharon Tate and her baby and friends).

But after I got transferred out of the Jail to the transportation unit, I drove the bimbos to court and on one night guarded the jury. When charlie was arrested, he was placed in the isolation cell that had previously housed Sirhan Sirhan. It was on the same floor as the locker room that I had to change into my uniform in, and was very close to the elevator that I used to get to the locker room. (bear in mind it was a long time ago. As I remember, (and my memory may not be correct) his cell was a few feet from the door to my locker room. It was very close to the elevator reserved for the Deputies/jail as oppesed to the elevators used by others in the building.

From the 13th floor to the top of the building was dedicated to the jail. The basement was the Coroners bailiwick. What I remember of charlie was that he was a little wuss. Kinda like I consider kerry except he's a tall wuss....


111 posted on 08/26/2004 6:58:00 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: stumpy

Great stories! Thanks for sharing.


112 posted on 08/26/2004 8:01:46 PM PDT by Feiny (It's only your fault if you don't hate yourself enough to do something about it.)
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To: annyokie

113 posted on 08/30/2004 1:37:19 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam.)
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To: Hildy

IMHO, she has served 35 years. That IS her life. She should be released.

As I have stated up the thread, she never killed anyone. From Bugiosi's book she was drafted at the last minute to accompany the others. If she had turned state's evidence as had Linda Kassabian, she would be tending her vegetable garden and grandchildren.

I am not excusing her crime, of course. But if she had been a part of a similar crime that was not so notorious, she would have been released long ago.

She is no Susan Atkins.


114 posted on 08/30/2004 2:21:45 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: 68skylark


In Texas, we are much kinder to victims' families. They only have to go through the five or six appeals and resetting of the date with the gurney, but then they do get the privilege of seeing the slimeball murderer take his/her last ride. Then they can finally try to heal. It stinks, but it's still better than CA, where justice is denied.


115 posted on 08/30/2004 2:28:41 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: CounterCounterCulture
What? You have a Charles Manson ping list?
Just curious ... ;-)
116 posted on 08/30/2004 2:29:09 PM PDT by Tunehead54
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To: kittymyrib

Yeah, I agree that the system in Texas (for all its flaws) sounds superior.


117 posted on 08/30/2004 4:49:43 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Tunehead54
Uhhhhhh..... ;-)

They were people I pinged before related to this matter. Not an official Manson ping list.

118 posted on 08/30/2004 5:44:36 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Sorry - Thought my wink would let you know I's kidding - just a bump - again - sorry. ;-)


119 posted on 08/30/2004 6:54:20 PM PDT by Tunehead54
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