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To: robowombat
While a lot of us don't agree with Bush on his immigration policies, I can honestly say we don't agree with some of the things you've said. Since I don't have 3 hours to read through the whole post, I'll simply respond to what you said.

When Mr. Bush begun his presidency, the number of illegal aliens was estimated between 4 and 8 millions. As of today, it's estimated between 12 and 20 millions.
No kidding. Blame lawyers, Civil rights activists, special interest groups, senators in California, and Mr. Fox for this. I won't bother posting proof as it's all over the place.

So, the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. most likely doubled during Mr. Bush's tenure. This fact indicates how impotent his administration has been,
The simple fact that he's transformed 2 countries into democracies doesn't phase you in the slightest does it. It's our fault that people are running across our borders illegally right? I agree something drastic should be done, but prioritization is a necessary component to leadership.

4 posted on 08/25/2004 2:17:14 PM PDT by TheZMan (What we need here is a really big boat.)
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To: TheZMan
What does it profit the average middle class American to bring the putative virtues of parliamentary venality versus the usual clique tyranny venality to some distant land when large areas of the United States are being primed to be a gigantic Bosnia. The importation of pluralities of unassimilated third world and especially Mexicans into the US means their political and cultural attitudes are imported as well. Life in third world countries is hell on earth by the standards of the US. Politicians are a corrupt lot in general but we here have short of the Tweed ring never endured anything like Mexicanized police departments and municipal governments. Police in active collaboration with huge armed criminal groups, home invasion and property theft on a scale that defies belief and brazen broad daylight abductions for either ransom or for impressment into the white slave trade. These are some of the realities of daily life coming to the SW Us if the borders are not secured and sealed.
6 posted on 08/25/2004 2:26:03 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: TheZMan
No kidding. Blame lawyers, Civil rights activists, special interest groups, senators in California, and Mr. Fox for this. I won't bother posting proof as it's all over the place.

So they're to blame for Bush's lack of cojones on the illegal alien issue?

The simple fact that he's transformed 2 countries into democracies doesn't phase you in the slightest does it.

Strawman argument - freeing Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't have anything to do with protecting our borders.

It's our fault that people are running across our borders illegally right?

Yes, it is. Politicians from both parties refuse to do something about the out-of-control borders.

I agree something drastic should be done, but prioritization is a necessary component to leadership

9/11 gave Bush all the priority he needed. Shortly after the attacks, illegal immigration slowed to a trickle. When the illegals realized that nothing was going to be done they continued to stream into the country, along with Middle Easterners.

Look, I'm not stupid. I support Bush and I'll definetly be voting for him on Nov 2nd. But I'm telling you, this issue is a thorn in conservative's side. My biggest fear is that Bush, after safely winning election, will aggressively push his amnesty plan, since he doesn't have to face another reelection campaign. Think of this as a national security crisis, which it really is.

19 posted on 08/25/2004 3:07:17 PM PDT by 12 Gauge Mossberg
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To: TheZMan
No kidding. Blame lawyers, Civil rights activists, special interest groups, senators in California, and Mr. Fox for this. I won't bother posting proof as it's all over the place.

Huh?

The people of Cal voted 3 to 1 to end this chaotic invasion. (Prop 187) The fedgov stepped in, working in concert with the state government conspirators burned our ballots and declared our free election illegal..

They are all in this together. Don't be fooled.

The fish stinks from the head!

20 posted on 08/25/2004 3:12:04 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: TheZMan
Blame lawyers, Civil rights activists, special interest groups, senators in California, and Mr. Fox for this.

Yep, and the ultimate blam falls on the President for not having a spin and doing the right thing.

21 posted on 08/25/2004 3:17:55 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Stan Barnes for Congress (http://www.stanbarnes.com/))
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To: TheZMan
It's our fault that people are running across our borders illegally right?

Why yes it is.

22 posted on 08/25/2004 3:19:02 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Stan Barnes for Congress (http://www.stanbarnes.com/))
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To: TheZMan

The simple fact that he's transformed 2 countries into democracies doesn't phase you in the slightest does it.

NO. Because while he's busy saving the rest of the world our own country is going down the sewer. Putting our troops on our own border to protect us from terrorists and illegal felons would be a better plan, IMHO.


33 posted on 08/25/2004 3:52:13 PM PDT by RepublicanHippy
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