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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks!

I just found McGovern shows up with some guy named David MacMichael here.

10 posted on 08/24/2004 1:38:02 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora; Shermy
I think the source of this info came from Shermy originally:

The Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) group is headed by Ray McGovern. Counterpunch.org published one of their screeds and mentioned that VIPS could be contacted through counterpunch.org at : vips@counterpunch.org

As was pointed out, VIPS appears to be nothing more than a front group of the group counterpunch, which is anything but "right wing."

11 posted on 09/10/2004 1:21:29 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Fedora; Cincinatus' Wife
That's a pretty interesting link- I noticed this from the transcript:

DAVID MACMICHAEL: "Well after the Mrs. Bush’s memoir came out with that statement which charged Phillip Agee effectively with commission of a felony, that is, violation of exposing this - exposing Richard Welch – ok, that’s a libel per se, as they say in law. Phillip Agee filed a suit some months after the book came out in Washington DC charging libel and seeking damages for that. He did not drop the suit. The case was dismissed by the presiding judge on grounds that Phillip’s place of residence at the time did not give him standing to sue in US courts on this, and the case went away. The subsequent, as I think the article indicates and you said, the subsequent additions of Mrs. Bush’s book did not contain this erroneous charge, but it serves to indicate that this is a very serious matter. If former President Bush could define Philip Agee as a traitor for exposing the identities of serving intelligence officers, if his son’s political advisor has done the same, while it has not come under the heading of treason, believe me, it is a very serious felony under the current Act."

I notice that one thing Ray McGovern's buddy MacMichael didn't mention was where Agee's place of residence was- he moved a lot because he had to but didn't he end up in Cuba? And wasn't he considered a Cuban agent? And didn't he form a worldwie leftwing organization whose stated goal was to undermine the CIA?

12 posted on 09/10/2004 3:58:27 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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