Kerry's group VVAW members made propaganda tapes for Radio Hanoi.

FBI Documents ^ | 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Tapes would be sent from the United States to North Vietnam to broadcast over Radio Hanoi to get U.S. servicemen to stop fighting in Vietnam…"

Judicial Watch has performed a public service by posting 50 pages of FBI documents about John Kerry's involvement in Vietnam Veterans Against the War, VVAW. The problem is that the media aren't interested in what they have to say. They show that members of VVAW were close to the Communist Party USA and collaborated with the enemy, communist North Vietnam.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Did one of VVAW's leaders lie about his military service in 1971?

Al Hubbard was an important leader in Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Hubbard had been an Air Force enlisted man who actually served. He felt that as a black man, with racism what it is in this country, he had to portray himself as an officer in order to get any respect (Overend, 589; Stacewicz, 293). This was wrong on his part, but he was a good man, and he worked hard for VVAW. VVAW forgave him for lying, but he shouldn't have done it. This one fact doesn't detract from the tens of thousands in VVAW who did not lie about their service and experiences. Hubbard's exposure (June 1971) came very shortly after Dewey Canyon III and shows how aggressively the Nixon administration scrutinized every member of VVAW. In the end, the Nixon's plumbers exposed only one guy whose records show that he actually served, more than any Chickenhawk in the current administration.

http://www.vvaw.org/faq/#8

What is Senator John Kerry's relationship to VVAW?

Since Vietnam Veterans Against the War's inception in 1967, tens of thousands of vets, GIs and supporters have participated in and supported the actions of VVAW. One of those members in the early 1970s was John Kerry. Kerry was appointed to the VVAW Executive Committee to assist in preparing Dewey Canyon III, VVAW's limited incursion into the land of Congress in 1971 (Nicosia, 98-99). Kerry made his greatest contribution to the anti-war movement and to VVAW in his speech to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on April 23, 1971 (Brinkley, 371-373: Hunt, 109-110; Nicosia, 136-138; Wells, 495). Content of the speech is found at: http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html.

By 1972, John Kerry had moved on from VVAW (Brinkley, 406: Hunt, 127-128; Nicosia, 211). He was not one of the original founding members of VVAW in 1967.

Did John Kerry state that US troops committed war crimes when he addressed the Foreign Relations Committee of the US Senate?

In his speech to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and in other speeches, Kerry summarized the findings of the Winter Soldier Investigation. (See text of Kerry's speech referenced above.) For a more detailed account of the relationship between the Winter Soldier Investigation and John Kerry, see

http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=399.

[austingirl]

A traitor cannot become President of the United States. Vote for Bush.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

BRING IT ON HANOI KERRY!
YOUR OWN WORDS AND DEEDS WILL END YOUR CARRER

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Phony Vietnam veterans alleged in books
Guenter Lewy's 1978 book America in Vietnam (pages 316-317) and B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley's Stolen Valor (Verity Press, Inc., Dallas, Texas)(pages 113, 131-137) contain similar information about alleged flaws in Lane's book. Neither book, however, refutes any of the testimony given during the Winter Soldier Investigation.

Lawyer and leftist activist Mark Lane was one of the organizers of Winter Soldier. In 1970, Lane had published a book called Conversations With Americans purporting to be interviews with Vietnam veterans about war crimes, containing Vietnam tales of atrocities. Reporter Neil Sheehan showed some interviewed in Lane's book had never served in Vietnam and others had not been in the situations they described. Lane admitted he did not check military records, as confirmation of details was not relevant. Lane later confirmed these militarty records.
The following are often falsely listed as being participants in Winter Soldier, but were actually in Lane's book instead. This confusion is probably due to Stolen Valor having an explanation of Lane's history within the section on Winter Soldier.
Chuck Onan, stock room clerk in Beaufort, S.C.
Michael Schneider, deserted in Europe and deserted again in the USA.
Terry Whitmore, was in an unpopulated area of Vietnam.
Garry Gianninoto, medical corpsman at battalion headquarters.
VVAW leader and Winter Soldier co-organizer Al Hubbard lied about being an officer, and sustaining war injuries - but he never testified at Winter Soldier .
According to the investigative work of Burkett, Lewy and others, there were many imposters, liars, and plain nutjobs who infiltrated the ranks of the anti-war movement, and, in some cases, testified to war crimes and atrocities that never occurred in order to get attention, sympathy, and, in one documented case, medals and honors."

http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/W/Winter-Soldier-Investigation.htm

[Osage Orange]

Well geesh....all one has to do is go to the Communist party web site....and compare their platforms to the DNC's...and see there ain't much difference.

[stockpirate]

Not only that. But in the beginning the VVAW was just an anti-war group. But as one reads the FBI files things change. First you read that there is no infiltration by elements of the New Left a or Communist's,. Then you start to see infiltration of radical elements of the Communist elements in America. This is going on while Kerry is a national leader and spokesperson. The FBI even changed the code for the VAW to "IS - New Left", IS stands for Internal Security.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Kerry wrote an article for the Boston Herald on October 14, 1979:

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border
being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas.
The absurdity of almost killed by our own allies in a country
in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

Christmas in Camdodia Dec 1968
proves to be yet another lie by "war hero" Kerry
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&ie=ascii&q=john+kerry+1968+Cambodia&btnG=Search+News

Kerry orders historian to "re-write"
Christmas in Cambodia Dec 1968 fairy tale
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/articles/apr/aug128.html

Odd, I was in Vietnam on Dec 24 and 25 1968
and Johnson was my Commander-in-Chief

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

VVAW supported demonstration, Washington Spring Offensive, April - May 1971

Kerry was a supporter of the "People's Peace Treaty," a supposed "people's" declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East Germany.

It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war.

One of the provisions stated: "The Vietnamese pledge that as soon as the U.S. government publicly sets a date for total withdrawal [from Vietnam], they will enter discussion to secure the release of all American prisoners, including pilots captured while bombing North Vietnam."

In other words, Kerry and his VVAW advocated the communist line to withdraw all U.S. troops from Vietnam first and then negotiate with Hanoi over the release of prisoners. Had the nine points of the "People's Peace Treaty" favored by Kerry been accepted by American negotiators, the United States would have totally lost all leverage to get the communists to release any POWs captured during the war years.



Vice President Spiro T. Agnew said that Kerry, "who drew rave notices in the media for his eloquent testimony before Congress," was using material ghosted for him by a former Kennedy speech writer (Adam Walinsky).

Picture #2, VVAW supported demonstration during the Washington Spring Offensive, April - May 1971.

Notice the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong flags.

[Peach]

Kerry is such a traitor. I can't believe he's still walking the streets. He should have been strung up by his thumbs.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

ABC CBS CNN FOX NBC



Why do the TV and Cable Newsrooms
hide Hanoi Kerry's past?

[MEG33]

It just cannot get any worse...My pro America anti communist side despises these traitors.

I just heard O'Neill say President Bush cannot stop them..if they hurt Bush with their campaign so be it..This is all about Kerry.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

DD 214 shows 17 Feb 72 terminal date of Reserve Obligation.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

Kerry's anti war activities were doing this period!



The following is an excerpt from the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the additional set of federal law that is applicable to military personnel.

802. ART. 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER
(a) The following persons are subject to this chapter:
(1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.
(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.
(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service.
(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.
(5) Retired members of a reserve component who are receiving hospitalization from an armed force.
(6) Members of the Fleet Reserve and Fleet Marine Corps Reserve.
(7) Persons in custody of the armed forces serving a sentence imposed by a court-martial.
(8) Members of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Public Health Service, and other organizations, when assigned to and serving with the armed forces. (9) Prisoners of war in custody of the armed forces.
(10) In time of war, persons serving with or accompanying an armed force in the field.
(11) Subject to any treaty or agreement which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons serving with, employed by, or accompanying the armed forces outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.
(12) Subject to any treaty or agreement t which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons within an area leased by or otherwise reserved or acquired for use of the United States which is under the control of the Secretary concerned and which is outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.
Hanoi John was clearly subject to the UCMJ.

881. ART. 81. CONSPIRACY
Any person subject to this chapter who conspires with any other person to commit an offense under this chapter shall, if one or more of the conspirators does an act to effect the object of the conspiracy, be punished as a court-martial may direct.
If any - and many claimed to be - of the supposed veterans were in fact veterans and in a reserve status Hanoi John would be liable to this article.

888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Check out the speeches he made while leading the VVAW

892. ART. 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION
Any person subject to this chapter who--
(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or
(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;
shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Hanoi John clearly violated standing orders when he endangered his boat and crew in the action for which he was given the Silver Star.

904. ART. 104. AIDING THE ENEMY
Any person who--
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.
“or holds any intercourse with the enemy” - by his own admission when he met with the North Vietnamese deligation in Paris (illegally both under he UCMJ and US Code).

917. ART. 117. PROVOKING SPEECHES OR GESTURES
Any person subject to this chapter who uses provoking or reproachful words or gestures towards any other person subject to this chapter shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Again, his speeches as leader of the VVAW.

933. ART. 133. CONDUCT UNBECOMING AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN
Any commissioned officer, cadet, or midshipman who is convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Self explanatory.

934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.
Self explanatory.

[NetValue]

Hanoi Jane and Hanoi John

[12.7mm]

904. ART. 104. AIDING THE ENEMY

This as gone way to far to see someone like this actually in line for POTUS. The dems I consider from now on - enemies of America and should be treated as such.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Hey Hanoi Kerry
I'm no Swiftie
BUT I was there when you were.
Let's talk about when you came home.
Lets talk about the VVAW
You f***ing traitor
Bring it on ass****!

[vpintheak]

Those big stars were the first thing I saw when the lefty musicians formed the group that is holding concerts against Bush. A thin litle guitar, and a big A$$ Star is their logo.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

We need to realize that the VVAW IS Hanoi Kerry's weakest link.

Swift Boat Vets is one

VVAW IS the kink in his armor.

SHOUT IT LOUD!

[Fedora]

"First you read that there is no infiltration by elements of the New Left a or Communist's,."

Which part of the file are you getting that from? I've been reading it differently, but I haven't looked at some of the newly-released files yet--just ordered some of the new ones the other day.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320

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[Fedora]

To clarify my last post: in other words, I've been reading it as if the VVAW was regarded as a Communist front from the beginning. It was tied to Mobe and the New Mobe and other front groups in its earliest stages.

[formercalifornian]

I know that pages and pages of Kerry's FBI files were recently released (and available for $15 on paperlessarchives.com): Kerry's FBI files I wonder if this was the source for AIM. Who else would wade through 20,000 documents or whatever it is?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Hey Hanoi Kerry
Were can we buy your book?

[laurenmarlowe]

BTTT

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

John Kerry and War Crimes in Vietnam

He was in command of a Swift Boat
and ordered his men to do these things.
Listen to this 1971 audio clip in Kerry's own words.

LONG BEFORE THE '04 Election

Listen Here

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3

[Mogollon]

South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas

I wish someone explain why a bunch of south vietamese buddhists would be celebrating Christmas at all. Just another 'nuance' in JF'nK's lie I guess.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

I've asked the Admin Moderator to remove my duplicate post 12

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Why is the media NOT covering Kerry and the VVAW?

[Helms]

The Myths of Camelot and Cambodia - They Were With Each Other Then and They Are With Each Other Today

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

KERRY LIED . . . while good men died
A gathering of Vietnam veterans from across America

Where: The West Front of the U.S. Capitol Building
Washington, DC

When: Sunday, Sept 12, 2004 2:00-4:00 PM (EDT)
Why: To tell the truth about Vietnam veterans.

To counter the lies told about Vietnam veterans by John Kerry
All Vietnam veterans and their families and supporters are asked to attend.
Other veterans are invited as honored guests.

Printable flyer Click Here
(pdf file)

[stockpirate]

I may be looking at a too small of sample right now. But what I have found is reports about new groups just starting up or have been around only a short time. I have not read too much in the early stages as I have been looking at another time period.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"He was a ferry master, a drop-off guy, but it was dangerous as hell.
Kerry carries a hat he was given by one CIA operative.
In a part of his journals which I didn't use
he writes about discussions with CIA guys he was dropping off."

Douglas Brinkley biographer of John Kerry

[stockpirate]

What I have seen is references to not being linked to several youth socialist/comm. groups, in the 400-500 pages I have been through.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Hey Hanoi Kerry
How do you like me now?
I'm'm personally going to make you
look like the fool you are
from now till Nov 2nd.
Then you'll be gone!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Run Hanoi Kerry! Run!
Momma Heinz is mad at you.
You soiled the rug again.
Bad Boy!

[boxerblues]

You are on a roll tonight.

[Soaring Feather]

bump

[wontbackdown]

You might be able to find Kerry's book on ebay, but it won't be cheap.

[Chieftain]

Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

[Tailgunner Joe]

bttt

[prairiebreeze]

VVAW activities will be a topic of up-coming swiftBoat vet ads I'll betcha.

As they should be

Prairie

[Grut]

"Tapes would be sent from the United States to North Vietnam to broadcast over Radio Hanoi to get U.S. servicemen to stop fighting in Vietnam…"

A note of caution: The FBI was a corrupted then by the 'tell the boss what he wants to hear' syndrome as it is now. We can't trust FBI reports without further corroboration.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"A note of caution: The FBI was a corrupted then by the 'tell the boss what he wants to hear' syndrome as it is now. We can't trust FBI reports without further corroboration"

It's up to Kerry to prove the FBI files might be false.

[JLO]

You have probably already see this from http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/kerryawards.htm
PS - tried cut/copy the actual complaint - didn't post correctly here: no paragraphs - way too hard to read; but here's a link to it:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/kerryawards.htm

I don't have a clue about judicialwatch and what they can accomplish.

Thanks as always, Tonk.

[XenaLee]

Bush can't stop them, but the American voters sure as hell can!

[MEG33]

The point they were making is that Bush has nothing to do with the campaign by Swiftboat Veterans for Truth...They have a real disgust with Kerry and have come out because they think he's padded his part in Vietnam,...and his antiwar slime of his comrades still fighting and still POWs when he returned is fueling their intent on exposing Kerry..They have waited 30 years for a way to expose him...He is truly unfit for command.

He "reenacted his Silver Star action on film(his camera) while in Vietnam and is using it as a centerpiece of his campaign..Gag

[Delta 21]

Here you go Tonk! I found one on Ebay for you. better hurry!!! Only 2 hours left. Price is at $1500.00 smakers and the reserve hasnt been met yet!! They will probly be a dime a dozen after the election........

[Fedora]

Okay, thanks. I will keep an eye out for what you're talking about when I get to that part of the file. There's a lot I haven't read yet because I've been busy with background research on some of the antiwar groups for an article I've been writing. To sum up some of what I've been researching in case it's of any use to you or anybody else on the thread (and please let me know if you've noticed any of this coming up in the files you've read):

For much of the 60s one of the key groups the FBI was concerned with was the Trotskyite Socialist Workers Party (SWP) and its youth branch, the Young Socialist Alliance (YSA), which had beeen infiltrated by the Soviets in the late 50s and had become supportive of Cuba in the early 60s. As the 60s progressed SDS and some other groups entered the picture, and as this happened there were factional rivalries between different groups trying to maintain/gain control of the movement. In particular from 1966-1969 there was an effort by the Progressive Liberation Party (PLP) to take over SDS, which resulted in a split in SDS in 1969 between a PLP-led faction and a faction led by a coalition of SDS, the Black Panthers (BP), and the Weather Underground Organization (WUO). Also after 1967 Hanoi became more actively involved in supporting/infiltrating the US antiwar movement, then centered around the network of the SDS/Mobe alliance and later after 1969 the New Mobe. By 1970 the New Mobe had divided into two major factions: the National Peace Action Coalition (NPAC), which was Trotskyite/SWP in orientation and coordinated by James Lafferty (formerly prominent in the National Lawyers Guild, a long-time Communist front); and the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice (PCPJ), led by former Mobe leader Sidney Peck and Communist/CP-oriented.

To put the VVAW in the above context: In 1968 the VVAW participated in Mobe-organized rallies and functioned within the Mobe coalition. In 1969 the VVAW-affiliated group LINK (co-led by the VVAW's Carl Rogers, who was on the New Mobe steering committee) shared a Washington DC office with the New Mobe and the Vietnam Moratorium Committee (VMC), a distinct but related group with links to the antinuclear group SANE (investigated as a Communist front group by the Senate and the FBI in the early 60s). In 1969 the VVAW also worked with the VMC, which brought them into contact with Peggy Kerry through feminist antiwar leader Bella Abzug (cofounder of Women Strike for Peace, WSP, which networked with various Communist front groups like Women's International League for Peace and Freedom/WILPF, allied today with the contemporary antiwar group Not in Our Name/NON). Also about this time Al Hubbard was brought into the VVAW partly because of his ties to the BP (which had links to Cuba). During the 1970-1971 period the VVAW was most closely linked to the NPAC faction of the antiwar movement, but it also coordinated events like Dewey Canyon III with the PCPJ and related groups. Hanoi, working through US antiwar leader Sidney Lens, hoped to unify the PCPJ/NCAP factions of the antiwar movement through the Dewey Canyon III rally. If there was a shift in the FBI's surveillance/classification of the VVAW at this time, it may perhaps reflect these larger developments in the antiwar movement.