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Hurricane spares higher quality construction of affluent islanders
St. Petersburg Times ^ | August 16, 2004 | JENNIFER LIBERTO and TERRY TOMALIN

Posted on 08/16/2004 4:26:54 PM PDT by jolie560

CAPTIVA - The ritzy barrier islands that Hurricane Charley pummeled first before raging across the state appear to have survived far better than their neighbors farther inland.

Although damage assessments had yet to be completed for the islands Sunday night, Lee County officials said they were confident that damage could be repaired and the islands could recover their identity as an idyllic vacation getaway.

"Nearly all (buildings) had some damage, but it was varying degrees, because these are big homes and well-put-together homes," said Pat O'Rourke, spokeswoman for the Lee County Emergency Operations Center. "It's a matter of the integrity of the structures."

While many resort homes on Captiva and North Captiva Island saw some damage, most lost rooftops, not walls. A St. Petersburg Times reporter and photographer who toured the area in a boat noted some damage to homes on the tip of North Captiva Island but not to the extent of those damaged in Punta Gorda and Port Charlotte.

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Maybe construction codes for mobile homes will be upgraded after rhis. Not everyone can afford upscale housing costs.
1 posted on 08/16/2004 4:26:55 PM PDT by jolie560
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To: jolie560

Upgrade construction codes for tents next?


2 posted on 08/16/2004 4:29:37 PM PDT by dakine
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To: jolie560

Mobile or manufactured homes could take this kind of wind with only cosmetic damage if they used adequate fasteners. The cost shouldn't be significantly more.


3 posted on 08/16/2004 4:30:53 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: jolie560

Another case of the rich being favored over the poor. It's Bush's fault.


4 posted on 08/16/2004 4:33:40 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: jolie560
Maybe construction codes for mobile homes will be upgraded after rhis. Not everyone can afford upscale housing costs.

To what extent are insurance premiums based upon construction quality? If quality is not adequately factored into premiums, it may be cheaper for a homeowner to build something marginal and have the insurance rebuild it as needed than to build something stronger.

5 posted on 08/16/2004 4:34:02 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: jolie560

Mr. & Miss Hurricane and Mr. Tornado always love to play "kick the Cans" through the trailer parks.


6 posted on 08/16/2004 4:34:06 PM PDT by KriegerGeist (Lifetime membership of the "Radical-Right-Wing-Kook-Factor")
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To: jolie560

Yeah, a hurricane comes within a hundred miles of a trailer park and it gets destroyed, while an expensive house has to be in the eye to get destroyed. It is kind of bigotted.


7 posted on 08/16/2004 4:40:48 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: jolie560
I used to work for the Charlotte County clerk's office in their IT department. The office was smack dab in the middle of Punta Gorda, FL. It's probably gone now.

Also, the house I used to live in down in Cape Coral got flooded out. Good thing I moved back to Indiana!

8 posted on 08/16/2004 4:44:08 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Party Before Country" - The New Motto of the Democratic Party)
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To: jolie560
I'm all for better cheap housing (prefab concrete construction would be cheaper & sturdier than mobile homes for those in hurricane & tornado prone areas). I'm apalled at some of the insensitive comments I've seen here that seem to imply those who can't afford something better than mobile homes should somehow do without housing because they can't afford something better.

Nevertheless, this article is purely intended to stir up resentment of those who can afford better housing. Who would expect anything less than better housing as the price goes up? This is written by a member of the same crowd who want to do away with SUVs because they come out on top in collisions with cheaper vehicles. Truly annoying, IMHO.

9 posted on 08/16/2004 4:45:32 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: jolie560

This is in the 'beat your head on a brick wall if you couldn't figure this out ahead of time" category.

More expensive structures tend to be built better, and therefore tend to hold up to 145 MPH winds just a tad better. Go figure.

There is no reasonable way to build a 'manufactured home' that will stand up to Cat 3/4 winds. This strikes me as nothing more than class warfare liberal phlegm. I have great sympathy for thse who lost everything, but blaming it on the manufactured home industry or the govt. for not making those companies build a bulletproof tin can is simply rubbish. It's an act of God. Don't try to find someone on earth to blame. Although, I'm certain some will try, and John Edwards' trial lawyer buddies are probably salivating as we speak...


10 posted on 08/16/2004 4:51:00 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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Hurricane spares higher quality construction of affluent islanders

Bad Hurricane! Bad! Bad!

11 posted on 08/16/2004 4:51:54 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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Hurricane spares higher quality construction of affluent islanders

Women and minorities suffer most.

12 posted on 08/16/2004 4:53:14 PM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack... Bull Halsey)
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To: jolie560

You do not have to build an expensive house to build a house that can withstand major hurricane damage. I could build a site built house that would stand up to a hurricane for less money than a manufactured home.

Another idea. Mobile home parks could put in hurricane "shelters" on their sites so people have a safe refuge to go to. (For example, I've heard of people emptying concrete water cisterns and holing up in there for the durration of a hurricane).

In general, people take unneccessary risks to have a home of larger square footage, rather than a well contructed smaller home.

Part of human nature I guess.


13 posted on 08/16/2004 4:53:53 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: supercat

The problem with this approach is that much hurricane damage (and death) is due to parts of building flying into other buildings (and people). For example, much of the damage done to building which withstand hurricane winds, is done by parts of unsafe buildings and unsecured items flying into buildings which would otherwise suffer much less damage.

So built-in obselescence costs everyone money, and some people their lives.


14 posted on 08/16/2004 4:57:05 PM PDT by Lorianne
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I do have to wonder,,,

Where I grew up, wind gusts of over 100 miles per hour are not at all uncommon. A few shingles get blown off sometimes, that's about it.

Wind gusts of over 75 miles per hour occur every year, and are not even worth mentioning.

Funny, those 100 mph wind gusts cause very little damage - because everything that could be damaged by a 100 mph wind is long gone!

Somewhat like those magnitude 5.0 and 6.0 earthquakes in California - little to no damage, whereas the same strength earthquake elsewhere is called a "major tragedy", because the buildings are not capable of withstanding their normal environment!
15 posted on 08/16/2004 4:58:39 PM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: No Longer Free State

This is untrue. Anyone who can afford a manufactured home can afford a home constructed to withstand hurricane force winds ... or without major structural damage.

Fact is, people want more square footage rather than well built. This is also true in site built homes. Quantity is almost always chosen over quality.

I see this decision making process occu every day. If it were not for codes (which are the minimum people should build to), I think most people would build the largest peice of %@#$ they could and not worry about structural soundness.

I feel for the victims too, I really do. But this myth that people can't afford safe homes is costing all of us more money (as the govenment bails out people time and time again).


16 posted on 08/16/2004 5:03:27 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
The problem with this approach is that much hurricane damage (and death) is due to parts of building flying into other buildings (and people).

But does shoddy construction expose a homeowner (or insurance carrier) to liability from damage that parts of their home do to other properties?

If the insurance and liability practices create a moral hazard, that would suggest a problem with such practices.

17 posted on 08/16/2004 5:06:09 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: jolie560

I remember when Andrew blew through a few years ago.

There was a report that said that the best built houses and the ones that withstood the hurricane the best were Habitat for Humanity homes.

They said that since amatuers built the houses, lots more nails and screws were used than homes built by professionals.

Thus they didn't blow down so easily.


18 posted on 08/16/2004 5:12:35 PM PDT by harrycarey
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To: jolie560

they said the same thing after andrew.....as an architect and contractor, i can state the obvious that mobile home standards are the subject of politics and will probably not be changed........there's something about trailer parks.....never been able to figure it out....first thing when a tornado forms, it makes a beeline to the nearest trailer park.....


19 posted on 08/16/2004 5:17:41 PM PDT by Nightrider
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To: Lorianne
I beg to differ. I can buy a single-wide mobile home for 24K in my area of Florida. I have been a carpenter for 18 years and there is no way I could build cheaper than that. The building permit impact fee alone is over $4,000.00

Building codes for mobile/modular homes did increase in the early 90's. Old code required the home to withstand 90mph winds. The current standard requires 130mph. Most of the homes destroyed were older homes that didn't have to meet the newer codes. The average home built now has over $500 just in hurricane hardware (straps, buckets, clips, hold downs, etc) in it.

20 posted on 08/16/2004 5:18:42 PM PDT by Normal4me
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