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To: liberallarry
I hope you don't really believe that.:)

Of course I believe it. It's an empirical fact. 'Rats are partisans without a cause, by which I mean legitimate cause.

Tell me, for instance, why . . . Specifically, why? . . . in Heaven's name, you think the stupid , the ignorant and the lazy must be given a substantial cut of the proceeds of my hard labor . . . Not generalities, mind you . . . But specifically, what historical precedent illustrates that that is a prerequisite for a peaceful society? Note I only ask for an illustration, proof being impossible.

There is none. There is not even a valid illustration, much less proof. In reality -- what "it" (the theft of hard-earned rewards) REALLY is -- is a prerequisite for disaster. And for this I am prepared to offer a probabilistic "proof," which I'm sure you cannot in support of your position.

And in fact, there is no overarching liberal "cause" at all, except for the cause of satisfying the liberals' own unquenchable lust to ascend to absolute power. As Madame Mao -- one of your most beloved icons once said -- "Although sex is engaging in the first rounds, what sustains interest in the long run is power."

But, I'm sorry to say, you'll get there only over my dead body, LL. And most conservatives think the same way. I know that saddens you and Tom Daschle, but it's a fact.

And you're wrong also (naturally!), about "everyone" being interested in power and wealth. I'm not, for one (Hahahahahaha . . . . How's that, liberalLarry, the first person you encounter after making such a ridiculous claim, disproves it?). I am ONLY interested in being left alone as long as I break no laws -- particularly by leftist scum who want to steal what little I do have for their own corrupt use, and who want to deny me my God-given right to defend myself and my family.

No hard "feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings," though.

Cheers!

'Yer friend, LibWhacker. :)

P.S. It's best not to refer to Scripture unless you believe in it.

15 posted on 08/11/2004 2:05:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
But specifically, what historical precedent illustrates that that is a prerequisite for a peaceful society?

Concern for the rights and welfare of the weak is an old, old concept dating back to pre-history. One finds the idea in most religions and most societies. There's always someone who dispenses "justice".

Why do you think that is?

Obviously, if everyone felt as you do - that the weak are "stupid,ignorant, and lazy" - there would be no charity and no attempt to provide them with opportunity or respite from their misery.

As for historical precedents that this concern is a prerequisite for a peaceful society, the record is mixed since peace is a rare occurance. One cannot even demonstrate that democracies are stronger than tyrannies. They weren't in the ancient world. None-the-less, it seems likely that people with some dignity and power, with a stake, are more likely to support their society than those with none.

what "it" (the theft of hard-earned rewards) REALLY is

This, and much else you say, is nothing but propaganda. All possessions are hard-earned and hard kept. Even those which were stolen from others. Your diatribe reminds me of the difference between privateering and piracy. The former is "legal" and engaged in by "men of substance" while the latter is "illegal" and the work of "marginal characters". Both, of course, are forms of armed robbery.

And in fact, there is no overarching liberal "cause" at all

I benefit from all sorts of public works - paid for to a large extent by taxes; public education, innoculations and other public health measures, municipal water and power, an extensive road system. So do you, but your rigid ideology prevents you from seeing it. Where one draws the line is a legimate point of debate. But to dogmatically characterize all wealth transfers, all public works, as evil is stupid.

As Madame Mao -- one of your most beloved icons once said -- "Although sex is engaging in the first rounds, what sustains interest in the long run is power."

Get an education...and get some manners. Madame Mao is not one of my most beloved icons. I know hardly anything about her. But her observation about power is universal.

I'm not, for one

You're posting to a political site and claiming you have no interest in power? See a shrink.

No hard "feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings," though

Try thinking for yourself rather than repeating foolish stereotypes. You'll find it's much harder to do.

It's best not to refer to Scripture unless you believe in it

What arrogance! What ignorance!

The observation about beams and motes has been made by most peoples in most times. I just like the Biblical phrasing. Nor is there any reason why I shouldn't take wisdom where I find it. There are lots of good reasons for being selective about what one takes from any source - including the Bible.

17 posted on 08/11/2004 5:23:19 PM PDT by liberallarry
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