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Official: Absentee votes may go uncounted – again
August 04, 2004 | Erica Werner

Posted on 08/06/2004 4:16:27 AM PDT by Former Military Chick

Thousands of votes from U.S. troops overseas could go uncounted again in November without emergency legislation extending deadlines for the ballots, a Chicago election official warned President Bush in a letter Tuesday. Nearly 30 percent of military voters who requested ballots in 2000 didn’t get them in time to vote. Theresa M. Petrone, a Democratic member of Chicago’s three-person Board of Election Commissioners, told Bush the problem could be solved if he proposed emergency legislation giving election officials up to 14 days after Election Day to collect and count ballots.

Deadlines vary, but most states, including Illinois, require that ballots be received by Election Day. Other states, including Ohio and Florida, count them for up to 10 or more days later, as long as they were signed by Election Day.

“Every election cycle, election authorities such as Chicago receive military absentee ballots days or even weeks after the deadline, thus disqualifying these votes from being included in the election tally,” Petrone wrote. “With hundreds of thousands of military personnel serving overseas, the voting bloc obviously could determine the outcome of our next presidential election.”

White House spokesman Ken Lisaius declined to comment, saying he hadn’t seen the letter. Congressional leaders have opposed amending the Help America Vote Act of 2002 and such emergency legislation is unlikely before November.

The handling of military ballots was a major issue in the ballot recount in Florida in 2000 that led to Bush’s victory, when election officials rejected hundreds of military absentee ballots, many because they lacked postmarks or signatures.

With many more troops overseas now because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, military voting could be an even bigger issue this year. Some 250,000 absentee ballot request forms were sent to military personnel overseas who asked for them in 2000, while 340,000 already had been sent as of mid-July for the Nov. 2 election, said Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Joe Richard.

Critics have accused the Pentagon of doing little to improve systems for getting ballots to and from service members. A report by the Defense Department’s inspector general in April said problems hadn’t been fixed, and a required study by a new voting commission on getting ballots to military and other overseas voters is overdue.

Still, Richard said the military is working to raise awareness among troops and improve methods by the U.S. Postal Service.

“I can only tell you that the secretary of defense and senior leadership of the Defense Department, certainly all the services, have made a concentrated effort to ensure that some of the difficulties that were experienced in 2000, primarily with delivery of ballots, will not recur,” he said.


TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: absenteeballots; absenteevote; bush; military; militaryballots; militaryvote
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1 posted on 08/06/2004 4:16:27 AM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

From the AP


2 posted on 08/06/2004 4:17:09 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I previously posted under Military Chick)
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To: Former Military Chick
Don't worry
I'm traveling back in time to vote for W...

As many times as it takes!

3 posted on 08/06/2004 4:19:56 AM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Former Military Chick
No offense, but wasn't this posted on the 4th?
4 posted on 08/06/2004 4:24:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: Former Military Chick
I never could understand this.. The post office can get tax returns back to the United States and into the hands of the IRS within a week from everywhere, yet they can't get ballots back within a month? I always thought something was wrong with that picture.

Of course, the people at the post office are nonpartisan.
5 posted on 08/06/2004 4:24:02 AM PDT by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: Former Military Chick
I saw this article in the Mideast edition of yesterday's Stars and Stripes and it made my blood boil.

This smacks of Dem attempts to discourage voting and preemptive maneuvering to discount the overseas ballots.

I have written my Congressional rep., my two senators and copied the DOD. I'm encouraging others around me here to do the same.

If they're going to start making noise about this, then we who stand to be disenfranchised need to make noise right back.

6 posted on 08/06/2004 4:27:25 AM PDT by Allegra (It depends on what the meaning of "is" is......)
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To: Former Military Chick

Here's one vote-counting fight the RAT lawyers won't push, unless it is to oppose!


7 posted on 08/06/2004 4:32:45 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("I actually was going to throw like a man before I threw like a girl." JFK 7/25/2004)
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To: Allegra; Chieftain; Ragtime Cowgirl; gatorbait; writer33; GreyFriar; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ...

Oddly enough I read that one too. It makes me so angry. Honestly they have had how long to ensure their votes count ... what have they done for the last 4 years.


8 posted on 08/06/2004 4:41:18 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I previously posted under Military Chick)
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To: NonValueAdded
The voting laws for Federal Elections should be changed at the Federal level with equal specifiecs for all states.

I'm suggesting that Federal Elections, for Pres and VP, Senators, House of Rep and Governors remain in November. All other elections are held at another date.

9 posted on 08/06/2004 4:41:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: All; livius

slightly off topic..well maybe not.
Judging from the high visibility activities of "Democrats Abroad" here in Barcelona (voter registration drives, meetings, publicity, Q&A pamphlets etc), it would be a good thing for Republicans if the civilian absentee votes were not counted. at least the ones from here.


10 posted on 08/06/2004 4:48:28 AM PDT by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: Former Military Chick; Radix; Kathy in Alaska; MoJo2001; LaDivaLoca; Fawnn; Bethbg79; ...

This must be addressed before the Nov. elections. I am sick and tired of the military being treated like second class citizens when they are protecting the country and their votes may not be counted.


11 posted on 08/06/2004 5:13:58 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The dumbocRATs have their heads buried in the sand.)
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To: Former Military Chick

This is a crime. As far as I'm concerned, military votes should be stamped in gold and hand-delivered to the polls. Those who serve our country with blood, sweat and giving up a chunk of their lifetime should have the MOST right to determine our elected officials.


12 posted on 08/06/2004 5:25:03 AM PDT by Tamzee (Tell me honestly, Honey... do these classified documents make me look fat?)
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To: freedom moose
it would be a good thing for Republicans if the civilian absentee votes were not counted. at least the ones from here.

Maybe there are a lot of liberals there, but here in Iraq there are thousands of American civilians and the vast majority of us are for Bush.

Bottom line is, no matter which candidate they are supporting, Americans overseas should not be disenfranchised. Especially the military...the very people who are protecting our right to vote.

13 posted on 08/06/2004 5:31:47 AM PDT by Allegra (It depends on what the meaning of "is" is......)
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To: Former Military Chick

This is such crap, optical scanners and data transmittions would have the results in election officials hands in an matter of minutes.

Come on, If we can send Billions to save the Africans from infecting their own with Aids we sure as hell put forthe the effort and accomplish this by November.


14 posted on 08/06/2004 5:35:58 AM PDT by Area51 (RINO Hunter, Big Time)
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To: Allegra
Bottom line is, no matter which candidate they are supporting, Americans overseas should not be disenfranchised.
i agree 100%, i probably should have explained myself better in my post.
BTW, are there "thousands" of US civilians in Iraq? i never really though about it, but i guess the numbers would be that high. out of curiosity, could you give a round number?
15 posted on 08/06/2004 5:41:51 AM PDT by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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BTW, are there "thousands" of US civilians in Iraq? i never really though about it, but i guess the numbers would be that high. out of curiosity, could you give a round number?

Approximately 7,000 civilians just with my company alone are in Iraq and Kuwait. There are lots of other American companies here now with varying numbers of expat employees.

A lot of votes.

And that's not even counting all the U.S. military in the region.

16 posted on 08/06/2004 5:47:17 AM PDT by Allegra (It depends on what the meaning of "is" is......)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I emailed my State and Federal senators, representative as well as the MO SoS, MO attorney general, and attorney general AShcroft yesterday about this issue.


17 posted on 08/06/2004 6:05:26 AM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden, it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: Allegra; Former Military Chick
This smacks of Dem attempts to discourage voting and preemptive maneuvering to discount the overseas ballots.

Although I woudn't put it past the Dems to do that, I think this sets the stage for something more sinister.

The councilwoman is asking for a 'grace' period of 2-3 weeks after the National election in order to rig the results with phony 'military ballots' - which would be unassailable - if they don't like the original vote count.

18 posted on 08/06/2004 7:04:33 AM PDT by HiJinx (Close the Borders - Now)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I don't understand - why aren't the absentee ballots mailed TO the military overseas early with instructions to return them weeks PRIOR to the election? Isn't that how it is done in most places?


19 posted on 08/06/2004 7:04:45 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (I am, once again, a homeowner in Texas!)
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To: Arrowhead1952; Former Military Chick


Bug-eyed Chad Search


20 posted on 08/06/2004 7:05:45 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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