Posted on 07/22/2004 2:10:39 AM PDT by Arnold Zephel
Begs a question or two. Permitted by who? If you were king would you ban it? I assume you are posting because you are frustrated and not just wanting to stir up angst. But let me assure you, besides the libs, any swing voters who believe MM's trash are too stupid to remember it or vote correctly or remember where to vote.
This line has come up in a number of forums (including some newbie accounts at FR). If what Michael Moore says are "lies" why isn't he sued?
Don't fall for their game. Libel and slander cases aren't easy to win, bringing a lawsuit dignifies the charges, and many of Michael Moore's lies are lies of omission (selective editing to parse a person's words). According to some of his fans (who are well aware what he is doing), Axis Mikey doesn't outright lie so much in this film, instead he strings along some "facts" and lets you, the viewer, make some wrong assumptions/conclusions. He leads you down the primrose path to these conclusions but he does not outright make some of these claims.
When he says "A person high up in the Bush White House gave clearance for the Bin Laden Family/Relatives to leave" he means Richard Clarke. Richard Clarke is quoted in the film as a critic of the Bush administration's policies but it wouldn't serve the agenda of the film to report accurately who it was the cleared the Bin Ladens.
No I wouldn't ban it. But, defamation is illegal. Bush should sue the bastard and expose his lying butt. To just lie there and allow this kind of slander to proceed invites more of the same.
(April 14, 2004):The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush?....I oppose the U.N. or anyone else risking the lives of their citizens to extract us from our debacle...the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and, sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe -- just maybe -- God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end.
Lord Haw Haw Junior posted this prose to his website shortly before Nick Berg was murdered (but long after he had been kidnapped). If Michael's "minutemen" are not terrorists, then why do they bomb civilians, the United Nations, and kidnap contractors and tourists and kill them on videotape for the arab press?
P.S. Lord Haw Haw was hanged in England after WWII for his Nazi broadcasts (he was an American who had moved to England and then Germany). Axis Sally was sentenced for treason after WWII for her German broadcasts as well.
When Bush wins, these nutballs are going to go over the edge, and it will get violent. Yeah, I'm worried.
Bush should probably not mud-wrestle with a 500 pound man. There's broader contexts of the campaign that will get any lost swing voters back (e.g jobs, security) and those messages have to be gotten out by hammering on the media without the distraction of a suit-counter-suit circus.
What has happened to this country that hanging for treason is not even considered when you look at what is going on these days? Commie PC infiltration is my guess. Pray now and pray hard.
Who are you? A disruptor? What gives you the right to give the 3rd degree to anyone? I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Something you are apparently willing to give to no one.
And your point is? We know that there are folks out there to get our goats. Don't we do the same. Invade DU or other sites. Freep polls. Same tactics.
Frankly, by banning or even worse, getting into flame wars, it simply just feeds their egos. If we fight with facts, and yes I know, sometimes the facts are hard to come by or flimsy, we still have a better chance to re-commit ourselves to the objective and make sense to those who may simply scroll through the threads.
Kind of like the internet version of "smear the queer".
Punk the prez? - Moby's anti-Bush tricks
One of Sen. John Kerry's celebrity supporters is ready to pull out all the stops to get him elected. Republicans are shrieking over a suggestion by rocker Moby that Democrats spread gossip about President Bush on the Internet. "No one's talking about how to keep the other side home on Election Day," Moby tells us. "It's a lot easier than you think and it doesn't cost that much. This election can be won by 200,000 votes." Moby suggests that it's possible to seed doubt among Bush's far-right supporters on the Web."You target his natural constituencies," says the Grammy-nominated techno-wizard. "For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion.
"Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, 'What's all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?'"
Moby didn't claim that he believed the abortion story.
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Maybe you can explain that in laymans terms. Unless it's totally vulgar or explicitly and personally threatening, IMHO, the posts should stand. Maybe have a disclaimer, but allow them to stand.
I think we're more afraid of not being able to adequately defend something rather than constructive debate.
An amen club?
FReeping polls is purely a PR push/pull game. Online polls are a joke. They merely serve to permit a biased media to say "X% support our position that...". When FReepers DO manage to push a poll to the conservative view, the operators bitch about it, post a link to FR, and send us a bunch of trolls. They never acknowledge that DUmmies DUmp on polls or that Muslims have ISLAMmed polls. I've posted the links to their own admissions in the past (including to threads that MSNBC/Newsweek sent visitors to).
There can be dissent without subterfuge. This is a conservative forum.
Use one of the links above to read some zots. They really aren't even worth the time.
There are some who say that Lord Haw Haw would have lived if he had been permitted to return to the United States. England in Winston Churchill's day had a different idea.
I understand your point, but I can't help but think that by rolling over Bush is inviting more of the same. I hope I am wrong. This weeks Ann Coulter column deals with how Republicans are rewarded by cooperating or not confronting DemoRATS. I would hate to see the grin on Michael MooreBiscuitsPlease's face if he thinks he affected the outcome of the election. It would set a very dangerous precedent.
Welcome to Free Republic, AZ.
Welcome Arnold. This is a nice bunch of folks her. Some are paranoid - and have been given ample reason to be. If you stick around, I guarantee you'll be hooked. We are not robots and, with as many members as Free Republic has, you must allow for many different personalities.
Again - welcome!
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