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Fahrenheit 9/11' Making GOP Nervous
Associated Press ^ | Jul 22, 2:09 AM (ET) | MIKE GLOVER

Posted on 07/22/2004 2:10:39 AM PDT by Arnold Zephel

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To: Arnold Zephel
It is just so frustrating that such audacious slander is being permitted.

Begs a question or two. Permitted by who? If you were king would you ban it? I assume you are posting because you are frustrated and not just wanting to stir up angst. But let me assure you, besides the libs, any swing voters who believe MM's trash are too stupid to remember it or vote correctly or remember where to vote.

61 posted on 07/22/2004 3:42:19 AM PDT by palmer (Solutions, not just slogans -JFKerry)
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To: Dick Vomer
I've been told that "Hey, it can't be false if it's in a documentary." as if there was a law to prevent it.

This line has come up in a number of forums (including some newbie accounts at FR). If what Michael Moore says are "lies" why isn't he sued?

Don't fall for their game. Libel and slander cases aren't easy to win, bringing a lawsuit dignifies the charges, and many of Michael Moore's lies are lies of omission (selective editing to parse a person's words). According to some of his fans (who are well aware what he is doing), Axis Mikey doesn't outright lie so much in this film, instead he strings along some "facts" and lets you, the viewer, make some wrong assumptions/conclusions. He leads you down the primrose path to these conclusions but he does not outright make some of these claims.

When he says "A person high up in the Bush White House gave clearance for the Bin Laden Family/Relatives to leave" he means Richard Clarke. Richard Clarke is quoted in the film as a critic of the Bush administration's policies but it wouldn't serve the agenda of the film to report accurately who it was the cleared the Bin Ladens.

62 posted on 07/22/2004 3:42:30 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: palmer

No I wouldn't ban it. But, defamation is illegal. Bush should sue the bastard and expose his lying butt. To just lie there and allow this kind of slander to proceed invites more of the same.


63 posted on 07/22/2004 3:48:30 AM PDT by Arnold Zephel
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To: palmer
A better question is why is THIS type of statement permitted when it obviously provides aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war (treason, a crime specified in the Constitution and thus not "protected" speech):

(April 14, 2004):The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush?....I oppose the U.N. or anyone else risking the lives of their citizens to extract us from our debacle...the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and, sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe -- just maybe -- God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end.

Lord Haw Haw Junior posted this prose to his website shortly before Nick Berg was murdered (but long after he had been kidnapped). If Michael's "minutemen" are not terrorists, then why do they bomb civilians, the United Nations, and kidnap contractors and tourists and kill them on videotape for the arab press?

P.S. Lord Haw Haw was hanged in England after WWII for his Nazi broadcasts (he was an American who had moved to England and then Germany). Axis Sally was sentenced for treason after WWII for her German broadcasts as well.

64 posted on 07/22/2004 3:51:25 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Arnold Zephel
I worry less about F911 swaying the election so much as the fact that Moore, Kerry, Dean, et al are playing Robespierre to the Democrat mob. They are priming thousands of leftist Timothy McVeighs out there.

When Bush wins, these nutballs are going to go over the edge, and it will get violent. Yeah, I'm worried.

65 posted on 07/22/2004 3:54:15 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man." -- John Dryden)
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To: Arnold Zephel

Bush should probably not mud-wrestle with a 500 pound man. There's broader contexts of the campaign that will get any lost swing voters back (e.g jobs, security) and those messages have to be gotten out by hammering on the media without the distraction of a suit-counter-suit circus.


66 posted on 07/22/2004 3:56:09 AM PDT by palmer (Solutions, not just slogans -JFKerry)
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To: weegee
P.S. Lord Haw Haw was hanged in England after WWII for his Nazi broadcasts (he was an American who had moved to England and then Germany). Axis Sally was sentenced for treason after WWII for her German broadcasts as well.

What has happened to this country that hanging for treason is not even considered when you look at what is going on these days? Commie PC infiltration is my guess. Pray now and pray hard.

67 posted on 07/22/2004 3:56:36 AM PDT by Looking4Truth (NEVER trust Muslims to keep their word.)
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To: Sally'sConcerns

Who are you? A disruptor? What gives you the right to give the 3rd degree to anyone? I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Something you are apparently willing to give to no one.


68 posted on 07/22/2004 3:57:46 AM PDT by AHWilde
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To: Poohbah
I couldn't agree more. I live in a small college town. Up until recently it was very conservative campus, but I have noticed and increasing number of students with anti-Bush t-shirts, bumperstickers, etc. I attended the same University during Desert Storm, and the overwhelming majority of the students supported the war and the U.S.A. I don't know what has happened but all this anti-Bush crap has infected the campus. It is nothing like you would find in some of the elite northeastern universities, but it is disconcerting
69 posted on 07/22/2004 4:01:59 AM PDT by Arnold Zephel
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To: weegee
There have been a whole lot of Michael Moore fans who've been signing up here to post his press releases and then get promptly banned.

And your point is? We know that there are folks out there to get our goats. Don't we do the same. Invade DU or other sites. Freep polls. Same tactics.

Frankly, by banning or even worse, getting into flame wars, it simply just feeds their egos. If we fight with facts, and yes I know, sometimes the facts are hard to come by or flimsy, we still have a better chance to re-commit ourselves to the objective and make sense to those who may simply scroll through the threads.

70 posted on 07/22/2004 4:02:20 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
Too often it's simply pile on the person rather than refute with facts.

Kind of like the internet version of "smear the queer".

71 posted on 07/22/2004 4:02:53 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Flyer; All
If you hang out here for a while you will understand why we have to do that.

Punk the prez? - Moby's anti-Bush tricks

One of Sen. John Kerry's celebrity supporters is ready to pull out all the stops to get him elected. Republicans are shrieking over a suggestion by rocker Moby that Democrats spread gossip about President Bush on the Internet. "No one's talking about how to keep the other side home on Election Day," Moby tells us. "It's a lot easier than you think and it doesn't cost that much. This election can be won by 200,000 votes." Moby suggests that it's possible to seed doubt among Bush's far-right supporters on the Web.

"You target his natural constituencies," says the Grammy-nominated techno-wizard. "For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion.

"Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, 'What's all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?'"

Moby didn't claim that he believed the abortion story.

Keyword: moby

Keyword: mobytrolls

Keyword: mobydicks

Keyword: mobyisthatyou

Keyword: mobysmarchingmorons

Keyword: zot

What Is ZOT? (read the Admin Moderator's page)

72 posted on 07/22/2004 4:03:35 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Flyer
If you hang out here for a while you will understand why we have to do that.

Maybe you can explain that in laymans terms. Unless it's totally vulgar or explicitly and personally threatening, IMHO, the posts should stand. Maybe have a disclaimer, but allow them to stand.

I think we're more afraid of not being able to adequately defend something rather than constructive debate.

An amen club?

73 posted on 07/22/2004 4:07:02 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
I've never registered at a liberal site, let alone to post and "get someone's goat".

FReeping polls is purely a PR push/pull game. Online polls are a joke. They merely serve to permit a biased media to say "X% support our position that...". When FReepers DO manage to push a poll to the conservative view, the operators bitch about it, post a link to FR, and send us a bunch of trolls. They never acknowledge that DUmmies DUmp on polls or that Muslims have ISLAMmed polls. I've posted the links to their own admissions in the past (including to threads that MSNBC/Newsweek sent visitors to).

There can be dissent without subterfuge. This is a conservative forum.

74 posted on 07/22/2004 4:07:48 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: joesbucks

Use one of the links above to read some zots. They really aren't even worth the time.


75 posted on 07/22/2004 4:08:52 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Looking4Truth

There are some who say that Lord Haw Haw would have lived if he had been permitted to return to the United States. England in Winston Churchill's day had a different idea.


76 posted on 07/22/2004 4:10:45 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: palmer

I understand your point, but I can't help but think that by rolling over Bush is inviting more of the same. I hope I am wrong. This weeks Ann Coulter column deals with how Republicans are rewarded by cooperating or not confronting DemoRATS. I would hate to see the grin on Michael MooreBiscuitsPlease's face if he thinks he affected the outcome of the election. It would set a very dangerous precedent.


77 posted on 07/22/2004 4:12:51 AM PDT by Arnold Zephel
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To: Arnold Zephel

Welcome to Free Republic, AZ.


78 posted on 07/22/2004 4:13:16 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino •)
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To: Arnold Zephel

Welcome Arnold. This is a nice bunch of folks her. Some are paranoid - and have been given ample reason to be. If you stick around, I guarantee you'll be hooked. We are not robots and, with as many members as Free Republic has, you must allow for many different personalities.

Again - welcome!


79 posted on 07/22/2004 4:13:56 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: joesbucks
An amen club of old wash women cackling whenever someone posts a legitimate article that is not a glowing puff piece for their side.

These folks viscerally need Newsmax for their sources.

Newsmax: The Salon.com for Freepers.
80 posted on 07/22/2004 4:16:21 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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