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What Really Happened on Flight 327
NY TIMES.com ^ | July 20, 2004 | JOE SHARKEY

Posted on 07/21/2004 12:05:59 AM PDT by Minutemen

What Really Happened on Flight 327? By JOE SHARKEY

Published: July 20, 2004

There is no doubt that something out of the ordinary happened on Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on June 29. The plane was met at the airport by squads of federal agents and police responding to radio messages from the pilots about concerns that 14 Middle Eastern male passengers had spent the four-hour flight acting suspiciously.

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It is unbelievable that these 14 "musicians" were even permitted to board the flight, let alone wander around the aircraft acting suspiciously. Our undercover Feds would have done well to restrain them in shackles until the aircraft landed and they could be given a thorough interrogation. Might make the next batch of "dry-runners" think twice.
1 posted on 07/21/2004 12:06:00 AM PDT by Minutemen
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To: Minutemen
After they landed they should have whisked them off to a private location and done whatever was necessary to get them to talk.
2 posted on 07/21/2004 12:25:56 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Do Chernobyl restaurants serve Curied chicken?)
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To: Minutemen

I hope they are watching and listening to these bastards. Isn't this what the Patriot Act is for? These dudes were up to something. Also, I thought you would get in big trouble these days for wandering around the plane when you were supposed to be sitting.


3 posted on 07/21/2004 12:31:25 AM PDT by beaversmom (Michael Medved has the Greatest radio show on GOD's Green Earth)
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To: Minutemen

There is no doubt that something out of the ordinary happened on Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on June 29. The plane was met at the airport by squads of federal agents and police responding to radio messages from the pilots about concerns that 14 Middle Eastern male passengers had spent the four-hour flight acting suspiciously.

But was the episode a dry run for a terrorist attack, as is now being widely suggested on the Internet and on talk radio, or an aborted terrorist attack? Or was it an innocent sequence of events that some passengers, overcome by anxiety and perhaps ethnic stereotyping, misinterpreted as a plot to blow up their plane?

The story of Flight 327 was first told in a 3,300-word online article, "Terror in the Skies, Again?" by Annie Jacobsen, a 37-year-old freelance writer from Los Angeles. Ms. Jacobsen's report was published last Tuesday on a Web site for women, www.womenswallstreet.com. It is compelling reading.

I have since spoken at length with Ms. Jacobsen, and also with an official of the Federal Air Marshal Service, who confirmed the gist of Ms. Jacobsen's narrative, if not her interpretation.

On June 29, Ms. Jacobsen; her husband, Kevin; and their 41/2-year-old son were returning home from a family visit in Rhode Island when they boarded a connecting flight in Detroit, Northwest 327. While boarding, both she and her husband became aware of a group of six men of Middle Eastern appearance who followed them on board. One wore a large orthopedic shoe. Two carried what appeared to be small musical instrument cases. One wore a yellow T-shirt and was carrying a big McDonald's sack.

As the Jacobsens settled into their seats, they watched a second group of Middle Eastern men board. These men were in communication with the first group "absolutely from the get-go," Ms. Jacobsen said. Furthermore, she said, "they all seemed to be checking in with the guy in the yellow shirt," who was sitting across the aisle from her.

Mr. Jacobsen, 38, who is the president of an import-and-design company as well as an actor in television commercials, was already feeling uneasy. "When I first got on the flight, my instincts said that something was wrong,'' he recalled. "I did turn to my wife and say, 'We must get off this flight.' " He didn't follow through on that, however, because he didn't want to create a commotion based on a whim, he said.

In great detail, Ms. Jacobsen's article describes the "unusual activity" the men engaged in during the flight. Other passengers and the flight attendants became alerted to it, also. Ignoring the "fasten seat belt'' signs, the men went frequently and in succession to the lavatories, and congregated near the galleys in pairs or threesomes. The man in the yellow shirt gave her a "cold, defiant look" when she caught his eye, she said.

About two hours into the flight, with tension building, her husband decided to approach a flight attendant with his suspicions. The flight attendant said the crew were already aware of the odd behavior, including the fact that parcels like the McDonald's bag were carried into the lavatories.

"She said I was 'right on schedule' with what I was feeling was happening, that she was aware of it, that they were passing notes to each other, that the pilots were aware of it, and that there were people on board who are 'higher up than you or me' that were watching them," Mr. Jacobsen said. He presumed, correctly, that this was a reference to undercover federal air marshals.

Later, as the plane was in its final approach to Los Angeles, at the stage of a flight when even the flight attendants are strapped into their seats, "suddenly, seven of the men stood up in unison," Ms. Jacobsen said. Some walked toward the back lavatories and some toward the front. Two stood by the aircraft door. The flight attendants remained silent, she said.

"I don't have any words to explain how terrified I was" at that point, said Mr. Jacobsen, who added that he clutched a pen in his hand to use as a weapon, while thinking: "I hope I'm not the only one who will react. I hope I don't choke and get scared."

Then the plane landed without a problem. Waiting at the door were officers from the Federal Air Marshal Service, the F.B.I., the T.S.A. and the Los Angeles Police Department. The 14 men were questioned at length and released. The Jacobsens also were questioned for over an hour.

Yesterday, a Federal Air Marshal Service spokesman, Dave Adams, a law enforcement officer for 30 years, said that the suspicious characters on Flight 327 were musicians. The man in the yellow shirt was a drummer, he said.


4 posted on 07/21/2004 1:00:22 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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We may find some day that we can no longer carry bags of any sort into the restroom on flights.

While some could argue that they need a shaving kit, aren't razors prohibited items these days?

I'm sure that I might have been bothered by a large group of passengers who moved about the plane a lot (if nothing else, it makes stewardess service difficult and can lead to a lot of bumping people in the aisle seats).

Reading this article, I see nothing especially unusual about the incident (apart from raising the suspicions of passengers and the air crew). If the man in the yellow shirt was the tour leader (if not band leader), they may have felt obligated to talk to him about their plans for their final destination.

Passing notes can be serious or nothing.

For what it is worth, James Woods reported seeing a dry run for the 9/11/2001 flights.


5 posted on 07/21/2004 1:10:02 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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...her husband decided to approach a flight attendant..

This is what I don't get. Had it been me I would have been in these guys faces. When they went to the restrooms en group. I would have gone as well. I would have challenged them, made them feel uncomfortable.

In fact I would have asked them point blank what they were up to.

prisoner6

6 posted on 07/21/2004 1:10:20 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Minutemen

Another possible explanation: it was a dry run planned by the government to see how crew and passengers would react, and if all their reactive measures were in place and functioning.


7 posted on 07/21/2004 1:17:46 AM PDT by Cincinna (Beware the RED QUEEN)
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To: Minutemen; diotima
What an absolute waste of time of an article. The writer asks a question and then fails to attempt to answer it. Readers would have been better served with a link to the original -- at least that one featured thorough research and gripping delivery.
 
The Times plainly, frankly, sucks.

8 posted on 07/21/2004 1:18:59 AM PDT by AnnaZ ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." :::Hillar(ed)y!::: 6/28/04)
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To: Minutemen

I am I the only one who feels like I need to take a shower after reading anything in the NY Slimes?


9 posted on 07/21/2004 1:27:43 AM PDT by twntaipan (demonRATs ARE the friends of our enemies, which makes demoRATs our... (finish the sentence).)
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To: AnnaZ

Link to the author's original story were in the Times article.
What else needed to have been said about the matter to raise the hairs on the back of your neck??


10 posted on 07/21/2004 2:09:08 AM PDT by Minutemen (It's A "Religion of Peace")
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To: prisoner6

I'd'a joined ya.


11 posted on 07/21/2004 2:33:26 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: knarf

Me too. But 14 men, who have trained together, likely have weapons, and are prepared to fight to the death, are a formidable foe.

If something really started, the pilots should do a barrel roll, just to shake things up, then the passengers have a chance against them while they are disoriented. Ya Think?


Semper Fi! USMC 1970-1981


12 posted on 07/21/2004 2:50:13 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: Minutemen

So, at which casino did they play? Seems like an obvious enough question. Has anybody answered it?


13 posted on 07/21/2004 2:51:53 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: AnnaZ

I agree with you. Where is the hour glass? Where is the zinger? This is bad, local writing.


14 posted on 07/21/2004 2:55:53 AM PDT by freeplancer
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To: AnnaZ
What an absolute waste of time of an article. The writer asks a question and then fails

That's what I thought. What a waste of time.

15 posted on 07/21/2004 3:01:33 AM PDT by Frapster (Not with the wisdom of man's words but through the demonstration of power.)
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To: dinodino

Looks like no one seems to know.


16 posted on 07/21/2004 3:14:42 AM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: weegee

nothing unusual seven men not strapped in for the appropach after the announcement has been made, landing is eminent and all are in their seats. I travel alot on planes, at least 20 trips a year, and this doesn't happen. One straggler may do a pit stop but this is highly unusual, highly.


17 posted on 07/21/2004 3:23:54 AM PDT by cajungirl (wi)
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To: Tahoe3002
"Me too. But 14 men, who have trained together, likely have weapons, and are prepared to fight to the death, are a formidable foe."

Perhaps, but a determined man is an incredible force ... multiply that by we three, and others would join and I think we'd have ourselves a movement.

The American Revolution was believed in and fought by a mere 1/3 of the population of colonists.

We, in modern days, have neglected and forgotten the word, the definition and the principle of POSTERITY.

18 posted on 07/21/2004 3:41:36 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Minutemen

I dunno...looks too obvious to me.
A decoy...a head-fake of some sort.


19 posted on 07/21/2004 5:36:15 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cajungirl

Like I say, there are rude passengers (and I could classify these travellers as such). Maybe the leader told them to go to the bathroom NOW because they wouldn't be waiting when they arrived.


20 posted on 07/21/2004 6:10:50 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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