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Are we still evolving?
Prospect (UK) ^ | July, 2004 | Gabrielle Walker

Posted on 07/10/2004 7:06:11 AM PDT by jalisco555

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To: jalisco555
Just to pick a mild example--nearsightedness.

We correct the vision. People with vision defects have children with vision defects. They get corrected. Eventually everyone will have vision defects and if our technological civilization fails at that point everyone will die of things they didn't see coming. We make it possible for every sacred life to be lived, and in so doing guarantee the eventual extinction of the species.

41 posted on 07/10/2004 10:34:15 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: DefCon
This is a stupid article

I agree. How can a clueless person ramble on so long?

Unlike plants and wild animals, human evolution is not a natural process. It occurs mostly during war. During the 20th century 180 million people were killed in 165 wars, about 1 in 10 people. Usually it’s the smartest that survive. That's why modern man developed intelligence far beyond that needed to find food. Most human genetic traits are all about winning at war.

Compared to natural evolution, war is very high speed. Genetic mutations in the wild can take 100,000 years to vet, while war can dramatically change the human gene pool in a few years. This high speed evolution is the reason humans are the most genetically advanced animal ever, even though we are relatively new on the scene.

War is also the reason there is little genetic variation among humans. We've killed off all competitors, such as the Neanderthals. This is very different than plants and wild animals. Monkeys have many genetic variations. Humans do not.

Fifty years ago 50% of the Jews in Europe were killed. What genetic impact did this have? Many of the Einstein types survived. The Jews have been the target of many mass killings over thousands of years. I suspect that is the reason that the average Jewish person alive today, in general with many exceptions, is smarter than average.

42 posted on 07/10/2004 10:36:43 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Do Democrats realize that millions of Missing Voters--due to the abortion policies they advocate--gave George W. Bush the margin of victory in 2000?

If they did, they'd simply feel it justified adding another 18,336,576 to their totals in 2004.

43 posted on 07/10/2004 10:40:41 AM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: jalisco555
He misses an important point: Darwinian success is reproductive success. His early example of darker skin in the tropics is a bit misleading and shows that he really doesn't understand this topic as well as he should.
44 posted on 07/10/2004 11:11:29 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Reeses
Compared to natural evolution, war is very high speed. Genetic mutations in the wild can take 100,000 years to vet, while war can dramatically change the human gene pool in a few years.

With a few exceptions wars have only killed off a vanishingly small portion of the population to cause much of genetic impact. Any impact it has will pale in comparison to the effect of the tendancy that those with a PHD tend to have far less children then those who dropped out of high school.

45 posted on 07/10/2004 11:20:07 AM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: theDentist
We have an advantage over other species in that we are aware that we, as well as all other organisms, are evolving, and have figured out how to manipulate natural selection for our own benefit (actually, we took advantage of natural selection long before we even knew about it, when we first domesticated crops and animals).
46 posted on 07/10/2004 11:39:44 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Ni Jesus, Ni Marx..OUI REAGAN!)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Are we not men?


47 posted on 07/10/2004 11:45:33 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Ni Jesus, Ni Marx..OUI REAGAN!)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe

Well, I don't want children. But that doesn't seem relevant, since I still don't have any desire to engage in activity that puts me at high risk for contracting HIV.


48 posted on 07/10/2004 11:52:50 AM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: bondserv
Next you will try to explain how a pimple on a worm became an eye.

It is abysmally ignorant statements like this that make me realise that there is no hope for humanity.
49 posted on 07/10/2004 11:54:19 AM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: theDentist

I'm in Georgia. Here, there is no such word as "evolution". Instead, we're supposed to use the phrase "changes over time". Ain't that a kick?


50 posted on 07/10/2004 11:54:53 AM PDT by Principled
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To: RightWhale

You are proposing potential consequences to evolution that I don't like. Therefore they are false.


51 posted on 07/10/2004 11:55:15 AM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: jalisco555
I don't know if we're evolving, but there's strong evidence that Michael Moore is devolving into a bloated sack of endoplasm.
52 posted on 07/10/2004 11:57:18 AM PDT by Redcloak (This tagline closed for remodeling. We apologize for any inconvenience.)
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To: rmmcdaniell
those with a PHD tend to have far less children

That brings up another subject. With the invention of the pill in the 60s, double X chromosome intelligence has become a self-limiting trait. I don't think men with Ph.Ds father significantly less children. The pill hasn't been around long enough to have had a major genetic impact but it will be significant in the future. Before the pill, highly educated women had many children.

If you don't think wars have had a significant genetic impact, look around. How many Native North Americans do you see? Thinking that world wars have ended is a bad bet. It's just a matter of time before the terrorists get a nuclear device and kill millions of people, setting off another revision to the gene pool.

53 posted on 07/10/2004 11:59:18 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Dimensio
... abysmally ignorant statements ...

Anything not yet fully explained is a miracle. Not only that, but anything that I don't (or refuse to) understand is also a miracle. Any attempt to debate me is satanic. Give me political power and I will burn you at the stake.
</fanatic Luddite mode>

54 posted on 07/10/2004 11:59:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: jalisco555
Meaningless; for whatever reason most people equate evolution with progress, nothing could be further from the truth.

Darwin's model only works in the wild; everything else is influence.

55 posted on 07/10/2004 12:06:16 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: Dimensio
It is abysmally ignorant statements like this that make me realise that there is no hope for humanity.

Walk us through the proof, or stop selling the fantasy.

Your choice.

56 posted on 07/10/2004 12:11:29 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical!)
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To: Reeses

I made an almost identical statement to a woman I worked with about 20 years ago, she went over to the temple on station and laid a curse on me, or so she said.


57 posted on 07/10/2004 12:12:15 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: Pharmboy

Ack, somebody else knows the secret!


58 posted on 07/10/2004 12:13:21 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: jalisco555

There are over 600 known inherited genetic diseases. There is only one known positive mutation, and it's not clear yet whether or not it has negative side effects.

Therefore it seems easy to conclude that enough negative effects from random mutation make it pass stage two, that the genetic gene pool will see continuous degradation. And that not enough positive mutations occur to offset the negative load.

It's de-evolution. Man isn't coming from the apes, he's going to them.


59 posted on 07/10/2004 12:20:22 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: PatrickHenry
Anything not yet fully explained is a miracle. Not only that, but anything that I don't (or refuse to) understand is also a miracle. Any attempt to debate me is satanic. Give me political power and I will burn you at the stake. </fanatic Luddite mode>

I come with a message of hope and love, and you attempt to marginalize with Liberal tactics. Believing in a Creator is not a bad thing that should be equated to unthinking fanaticism. Your characterization is demonstrably inaccurate.

60 posted on 07/10/2004 12:25:27 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical!)
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