Posted on 07/05/2004 6:19:40 AM PDT by dave_behrens
No, it allows for the possibility that they may be in units that will have to reconstitute and fight as infantry. The vast majority of females are in the service as a result of significantly reduced height/weight/physical fitness standards. The English and Canadians have found that there are so few females capable of performing as infantry it is pointless to try (though the Canadians continue to try). Even under court order, the Israeli's cannot make it work.
On a side note, this would make an interesting topic for the Southern Baptists, Mormons, and the other healthy growing denominations to deal with...you are going to pull females into the draft? As any Orthodox Jew can tell you, there are a myriad of religious justifications/requirements for not doing this.
none of the above
That's an outdated concern ... we daily get closer and closer to Hatchery and Conditioning Centres (A. Huxley).
At present, anyone who chooses to volunteer to serve for the US cannot have dependent children. Male OR female.
IF (and that is an IF) the draft occurs, I'm wondering how this clause might be modified, or would it be abrogated?
And if it is not changed, would that mean that men and women would be clamoring to have children? What about men who refuse to acknowledge their children? What about men who have been denied access to their children? Would those men be sent first? Would such men tell the courts that they want (and/or have wanted) access to their children and please send the mother on to war?
The Constitution Party came out with Christian reasoning against it as well.
First, the draft: I've been pro-draft since 9/11/01 - or, rather, I've been pro-conquest, occupation and reconstruction of Arabia and SW Asia, and I think a draft will be required to do the job.
Second, responsibilities for girls: Never gonna happen. If they can murder their husbands and leave their prom babies in the toilet, and mount successful defenses that a man made them do it, why do you think a female draftee Army would even be possible?
Since a theoretical draft may have to be played under similar excellerated equalizing and anti-discrimination rules, will they conscript women at a ratio of 7-1 to men?
I wonder how this will play out
Women are not a minority, they are a majority.
And there is no evidence-none whatsoever-that invidious discrimination had anything to do with the observed distribution of jobs, athletic scholarships, etc prior to 1975, when Title IX and a host of other "minority" benefits were conferred on women as a class.
Draft the skirts, put 'em in the front lines.
Can't cherry pick your "equality," girls.......
A quote from a famous document in US history. One that many seem to forget these days.
He's a former columnist with Newsday trolling for responses. Took early retirement on the buyout offer from Newsday.
There is not even a serious effort to increase voluntary recruitment. After 9/11, President Bush said the best thing we can do is our jobs, IIRC.
Thank you. I would like to see an end to the insatiable selfishness and self-centeredness of the millions of women who continually vote for and defend endless government preferences for themselves, at the expense of everyone else in the society, including even babies that they find inconvenient.
There is no end to this, and the collection of these preferences is slowing tipping the whole society over. Others here have mentioned Title IX. Then we have government "girl power!" programs, and government affirimative action, and government government grants, and government this and government that, all resulting in colleges that are now 60% female. When one of the colleges tried to end the affirmative action for women, a whole bunch of women screamed like hell. The rest of you just sat there silent while this went on.
The government spends more on breast cancer research than it does on all male-specific and all child-specific cancers combined. Why? Because millions of women would beggar everyone else alive to get some benefit for themselves. I've actually heard women suggest that if men are upset about this, they should organize politically like women did. What are children supposed to do about leukemia, march on Washington?
It doesn't stop there. Don't even get me started about the way the government treats men as disposable parents, with no more rights to their young than cats or cattle have. Do most women support that? Absolutely. Just watch themselves wrap themselves in their wombs -- like you just did -- anytime anyone suggests that treating male humans like animals is morally and ethically offensive. The self-centeredness and selfishness in that would be beyond belief if we didn't see it every day.
I've had a nice life, but for some young guy coming along, it is just one government thumb after another on the scale, all of them designed to treat women as simultaneous victims and Brahmins, while sending this guy to the back of the bus because he has the wrong plumbing to qualify for treatment as a human being.
From education to welfare, to health care, to Social Security, to the basic human truths of parenthood... all these things have been turned into giant Engines Of Government for transferring economic resources from the society as a whole to women in particular. Are women satisfied? Of course not. They want all the jobs in the air-conditioned offices while the men take the ones raking asphalt in the Sun. Thirty years after the first Marxist feminist raised her ugly mug, 2% of the nation's diesel mechanics are female. The same goes for almost every other job that actually keeps stuff running. The deal with women was that men would do that, if the women would do the babies, because that has to keep running too. Now we have 40 million dead babies and air-conditioned offices full of women who think they are discriminated against.
I applaud you for telling us about the kick-ass women in combat. You're OK. You probably don't vote for all that stuff. But millions of women do, without a thought for anyone but themselves. I can tell which ones they are, because they are the ones who say, "Oh, but you men are so big and strong. That is why you should be the ones to go get shot." This while they vote for some creep like Joe Biden who never saw a law to hose men that he couldn't wave to his female constituents as a badge of what a pandering weenie he is.
Men are pretty good at overcoming adversity. We're resourceful, intelligent, and capable of remarkable perseverence. But we are all discovering that it is possible to create a sufficiently large, powerful, and instrusive government, with its hand in every little thing, that no mortal human can overcome its predations. This is what a young man has arrayed against him today... in everything he might touch, from being educated as a child to being dismissed as a genetic mistake by the health care system; with his rights as human being to his own children abrogated and ignored all through the middle. This government has essentially become the enemy of its male citizens, and it has done so because millions of women want it to be exactly that.
Somewhere on my disk drive I have the story of a family court judge who got to find out the hard way what it is like to be a man in a family court. This judge's wife had an affair, wanted to leave him for the other guy, and the next thing this judge knew he was kicked out of his house, forbidden to even speak to his own children, and charged with child sexual abuse... all with absolutely no due process. Isn't government just the hero of women these days. When it isn't spening money to advance the education of girls but not boys, or trying to get more women high-paying jobs in air-conditioned offices, it's doing crap like this to human males who had the audacity to imagine they might be allowed to live in the same house with their offspring.
There is too much of this. There's too much selfishness on the part of women being turned into government policy. The draft is hardly the beginning or the end of it. There is an entire worldview here that does not view men as really human. And that is not coming from men.
Be careful what you wish for. When the government doesn't need you for that, you won't have any parenthood rights either. All these governmental intrusions into the family that women have been clamoring for to protect them from the Big Bad Men are going to come right back and bite them. It's already started.
In fact, fire and police departments are forced to hire women, even if they don't have the physical conditioning for the job (for instance, when they have to carry dummies out of a building, women have a different weight requirement than men).
If they want equality, take the responsibility with the benefits.
BTW, you need us to procreate as well...
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You're too much! I like it, though!
LOL
What if they don't have babies anymore?
Those societies also procreated by force when they subjugated another culture (killing or enslaving the men, raping the women).
Well put.
Thank you for responding. I think the women who support this type of white male bashing affirmative action are the ones who would never even considering owning a gun - you are correct in that. Of course they are the ones who think women in combat is great (so long as it is not them).
I think selfishness on a whole is widespread in this society and we no longer care about what is right so long as an attorney can justify it.
I think the weanie men I take issue with today are the ones who had the misfortune of being raised by these types of women.
I think we live in a country where being a native citizen and a white skinned one especially puts you at a disadvantage.
How strange that we as a culture have schools that teach us that we as a culture are bad?
I do not believe that affirmative action or quotas are a good thing. If people could be treated like individuals and not a part of a race, gender, age, etc. group, but that is not how it is either. But none of this changes that the draft is not fair no matter who it applies to.
I thank you for responding.
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