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Berkeley, Calif., residents to vote on legalizing prostitution
AP ^ | June 24, 2004 | MICHELLE LOCKE

Posted on 06/24/2004 12:34:28 AM PDT by sarcasm

BERKELEY, Calif.  -- Residents of this left-leaning city will have a chance to vote in November on whether they think prostitution should be a crime.

An advocacy group announced Wednesday it had gathered nearly 3,200 signatures, about 1,000 more than needed to get the initiative on the ballot.

The measure would have little more than symbolic value, since it wouldn't undo laws against prostitution. But Robyn Few, head of the Sex Workers Outreach Project, said a win at the polls would send an important message.

"What we're trying to do is build a groundswell here in California," she said.

Berkeley Mayor Tom Bates was out of town and could not be reached for comment Wednesday. Earlier this year, the City Council declined to endorse decriminalizing prostitution.

Beyond its symbolic value, the ballot initiative would order the police department to give the "lowest priority" to enforcing anti-prostitution laws.

Police spokesman Joe Okies said the department didn't have any immediate response to the initiative.

Few, who recently completed six months house arrest on federal charges of conspiring to commit prostitution, said decriminalizing prostitution is a civil rights issue.

"As long as something is illegal, it's going to remain unsafe and exploited. I want to see women be empowered to speak up and demand their rights," she said.


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1 posted on 06/24/2004 12:34:28 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm

Finally, a story out of Berkeley that actually makes sense.

As long as it's done behind closed doors, the world's oldest profession should be allowed. It's a total waste of city and government resources to be setting up stings and prosecuting people for engaging in totally consensual activities.

If exchanging money for sex is truly a crime worth prosecuting, we should throw in jail any man who has ever been treated to hot, wild sex with a girlfriend or wife only after taking her to a fancy restaurant. We should throw in jail any woman who marries a rich man who is decades older. (That would include Don Imus' wife, the late Tony Randall's wife, etc.)

In this rare instance, Berkeley (and several counties in Nevada) have it right, while the rest of the country has it wrong.


2 posted on 06/24/2004 1:12:27 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: sarcasm
Maybe they should try getting beastiality legalized as well.

Us zealous right-wing idealogues have no right to shove our antiquated Judeo-Christian values and morals down these sick perverts throats.

I mean really... Who are we to say that a man can't love his cat?

3 posted on 06/24/2004 1:17:23 AM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
ahh... "behind closed doors" is the main point here as it should be.

and thats because...

Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.

4 posted on 06/24/2004 1:20:20 AM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

Legalize prostitution and the price will go up for the consumer. Prostitutes will have to pay taxes on that income. The city will also add a new layer of bureaucracy to its department of environmental health, to monitor the "industry." Those increased costs will be picked up by the taxpayers, most of whom have no interest in prostitution. There will probably be more business costs for the legalized whore houses, such as insurance, health plans for its employees, etc. That will also drive up costs. What you're proposing is bad for the consumer and bad for the taxpayer.


5 posted on 06/24/2004 1:25:48 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte

And can you imagine the retirement plan necessary for a profession where employees can't really serve customers after they turn 40 something? That's a mighty young retirement age.


6 posted on 06/24/2004 1:38:07 AM PDT by sociotard (I am the one true Sociotard)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
We should throw in jail any woman who marries a rich man

How about throwing John Kerry in jail for marrying two rich women (two strikes... a third and he gets life!)

7 posted on 06/24/2004 1:39:56 AM PDT by SpyGuy
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To: sarcasm

Berkeley is behind the times, all you have to do is go to Tijuana ...


8 posted on 06/24/2004 2:01:22 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: expatguy
ahh... "behind closed doors" is the main point here as it should be.

and thats because...

Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.

Well, married people have sex behind closed doors, too. That doesn't mean it isn't a beautiful thing. There are plenty of legal activities we keep behind closed doors because we don't want children or other people to stumble upon it.

9 posted on 06/24/2004 2:11:43 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: Bonaparte
What you're proposing is bad for the consumer and bad for the taxpayer.

You may be right about it costing more for the prostitutes' customers, but I think you're wrong about the taxpayers. From what I know about how it's done in Nevada (gee, I don't know how I would know, LOL!), I believe the prostitutes and the brothels actually pay licensing fees that cover the costs of the state.

Also, since Nevada is a rare place where this is legal, the state and taxpayers benefit from tourists who spend their money at the brothels and at nearby businesses.

10 posted on 06/24/2004 2:19:18 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: sarcasm

(AP) - June 24 - Former President Bill Clinton is reported to be considering selling his Chappaqua, NY home and moving to an undisclosed city in the San Francisco Bay area.


11 posted on 06/24/2004 2:19:18 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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(AP) - June 24 - Former President Bill Clinton is reported to be considering selling his Chappaqua, NY home and moving to an undisclosed city in the San Francisco Bay area.

I wish the creep had found himself a hooker instead of raping Juanita Broaddrick that day in Little Rock.

12 posted on 06/24/2004 2:21:33 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

>>As long as it's done behind closed doors, the world's oldest profession should be allowed.

Let the government run it. Mandatory health screenings for the screwers as well as the screwees.


13 posted on 06/24/2004 2:24:12 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Michael Moore is to movies as Dr. Josef Mengele was to medicine.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Let the government run it. Mandatory health screenings for the screwers as well as the screwees.

In Nevada, they do regular health screenings of the brothel workers and mandate use of condoms. In all the years they've legalized it, I don't think they've ever had an AIDS case linked to a brothel.

14 posted on 06/24/2004 2:28:56 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
Thanks for making me feel old.


15 posted on 06/24/2004 2:36:32 AM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: sarcasm
An advocacy group announced Wednesday it had gathered nearly 3,200 signatures

Curiously enough, most of the people who signed the petition were named "John". "I didn't know we had so many John's here in Berkeley", a group spokesman said.

16 posted on 06/24/2004 5:16:34 AM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
Hold on: Read the proposed init: I haven't read the final one -- here: http://www.bayswan.org/berkeleyinitiative.html

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Proposed Initiative for Berkeley

Below is a working document of the proposed ballot item. Use this as a template to begin an initiative in your area to decriminalize. Contact for further info.

Angel's Initiative

Shall the City of Berkeley help stop violence against women, demand that the State of California repeal laws that prohibit private consensual adult sexual behavior and that treat women unfairly, make enforcing those laws a low police priority, and cease wasting vital funds?

WHEREAS, Persons should never be forced into having sex or doing any other act against their will, whether by force or fraud, and whether they are adults or children.

WHEREAS, Laws that make criminals of adults for having consensual sex have a profound effect on the safety and well being of those adults, with all that imports for the dignity of the persons charged. When victims of such laws receive criminal convictions, collateral consequences always follow; and ...

17 posted on 06/24/2004 7:04:12 AM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: Bonaparte

Thanks. Nobody really goes into the actual negative economic consequences of things like legalizing prostitution.


18 posted on 06/24/2004 7:08:34 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Bonaparte; AmishDude
Legalize prostitution and the price will go up for the consumer.

You fail to factor in the monetary and nonmonetary costs of illegal prostitution: having to seek out sellers in the seedy parts of town, the possibility of arrest, etc.

19 posted on 06/24/2004 8:17:55 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: sarcasm

Sounds like they want to increase tourism.


20 posted on 06/24/2004 9:08:13 AM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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