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Sorry if this is a duplicate. I first saw this story a few weeks ago. Guess it has taken the White House a few weeks to be sure it was a valid report. At least i hope they are sure it is valid.
1 posted on 06/20/2004 1:13:04 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Bookmarked to this thread which has gathered all the links we can find that tie AQ/Iraq:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1127451/posts?page=1


2 posted on 06/20/2004 1:19:12 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

This is a major news story, IMHO. We actually saw it several weeks ago or so when someone on the Iraq interim government called a press conference. However, there was not a peep from Bush administration about it. Perhaps they have been investigating and making sure it is well-sourced.


3 posted on 06/20/2004 1:20:34 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Good for posting that. I think there's a lot of evidence - of course, what it has to be to make it to the evidentiary standards of the 9/11 "commission" (aka, lynch mob) is another thing altogether.


4 posted on 06/20/2004 1:21:01 PM PDT by livius
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Lehman said the information, contained in "captured documents," was obtained after the commission report was written that stated there was no evidence of a "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda.

Chess not checkers.

Let your enemy fail and fail .....while you hold back the good intel......then BAM!!!!!!!

5 posted on 06/20/2004 1:21:05 PM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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9 posted on 06/20/2004 1:32:10 PM PDT by jla (http://www.ronaldreaganmemorial.com/memorial_fund.asp)
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To: Pukin Dog

Ping for a most interesting find.


15 posted on 06/20/2004 1:36:49 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

This was posted weeks ago.


http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005133


37 posted on 06/20/2004 2:17:27 PM PDT by FreedomForce
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To: Grampa Dave

Thought you'd be interested in this article.

Somehow I feel we are at a tipping point with regard to the press, Kerry, Iraq and educating the American public about the ties that Saddam had to Al Qaeda.


39 posted on 06/20/2004 2:23:18 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
It's Ahmed Hikmat Shakir. The fact that this easy-to-find piece of info escaped the Commission shows how completely inept they are. Shakir was present at the Kuala Lumpur strategy meeting in January of 2000. He was (is?) a Lt.Colonel in Saddam's IIS.

BUY "Connections" by Stephen Hayes, it's excellent. Don't bother to look for it at Borders.

44 posted on 06/20/2004 3:43:29 PM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him to VN. Nixon expressed him home. And JfK's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
This can't be true. The NY Times and USA Today said there was no link. I am expecting a retraction in tomorrows headline.

Move along nothing to see.


45 posted on 06/20/2004 4:25:16 PM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

You don't suppose the stupid frat boy Bush has just outsmarted them once again, do you? You don't think he was playing a little Texas Holdem with the RATS, do you?


47 posted on 06/20/2004 4:41:27 PM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

The Dims just don't know how to play Texas Hold 'em against President Bush.


48 posted on 06/20/2004 4:59:40 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Tennessean4Bush

good stuff bump


49 posted on 06/20/2004 5:18:05 PM PDT by txhurl (~)
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To: Tennessean4Bush; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

ping.


50 posted on 06/20/2004 6:12:03 PM PDT by cgk (3000+ 9/11. Pearl, Fallujah, Berg, Jacob, Scroggs, Johnson... Never forget. Never Again!)
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To: Stillwaters
Keep an eye on this one. It was reported by Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago that these documents were uncovered by our military in Iraq and were pending verification of the Al-Qaeda operative's ID. Looks like that verification may be forthcoming. :-)
55 posted on 06/20/2004 7:08:32 PM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

This commission is just finding out about this when all of us here had this information weeks ago? Incompetence.


57 posted on 06/20/2004 8:01:13 PM PDT by Azzurri
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Then there's this:

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=241267


68 posted on 06/20/2004 10:20:47 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Bush's Democratic challenger, Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) of Massachusetts, said the president owed the American public "a fundamental explanation about why he rushed to war for a purpose it now turns out is not supported by the facts."

Keep that drumbeat going, Mr. Kerry. It will only make you look even MORE stupid than you already do!

69 posted on 06/20/2004 10:24:17 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004/Because we MUST!!)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Iraqi official at 9-11 plot meeting: U.S. finds documents tying Saddam's man to al-Qaida
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | May 27, 2004

FR THREAD

Posted on 05/27/2004 11:28:26 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Recently translated documents captured by U.S. forces provide new evidence of a direct link between Saddam Hussein's regime and the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.

Rosters of officers in Saddam's Fedayeen list Lt. Col. Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, who was present at the January 2000 al-Qaida "summit" in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, at which the 9-11 attacks were planned, the Wall Street Journal reports. The Fedayeen was the elite paramilitary group run by Saddam's son Uday, which was deployed to do much of the regime's dirty work.

The U.S. has never been sure Shakir was at the Kuala Lumpur meeting on behalf of Saddam's regime or whether he was an Iraqi Islamist on his own, the Journal notes.

The paper cautions, however, it is possible the Shakir listed on the rosters is not the Iraqi of the same name with proven al-Qaida connections.

But sources tell the Journal the authenticity of the three Fedayeen rosters is not in question. Coalition forces have found millions of documents that still are being sorted, translated and absorbed, the paper said.

Reported accounts of the al-Qaida planning summit said Shakir had a job at the Kuala Lumpur airport he obtained through an Iraqi intelligence agent at the Iraqi embassy. Among the al-Qaida operatives in attendance were the two who flew American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon – Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi – and Ramzi bin al Shibh, the operational planner of the 9-11 attacks. Also in attendance was Tawfiz al Atash, a high-ranking Osama bin Laden lieutenant and mastermind of the USS Cole bombing.

Shakir left Malaysia four days after the summit finished, Jan. 13, 2000, then turned up in Qatar, where he was arrested Sept. 17, 2001, four days after the attacks. A search uncovered phone numbers of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers' safe houses and contacts and information related to a 1995 al-Qaida plot to blow up a dozen commercial airliners over the Pacific.

But Shakir, inexplicably, was released after a brief detention and flew to Amman, Jordan, where he was arrested again. The Jordanians released him, however, with the OK of the CIA, after pressure from the Iraqis and Amensty International.

He was last seen returning to Baghdad.

Noting the volume of evidence, the Journal said, "One of the mysteries of postwar Iraq is why the Bush Administration and our $40-billion-a-year intelligence services haven't devoted more resources to probing the links between Saddam's regime and al-Qaida."

The current official U.S. intelligence conclusion is that Saddam's regime was not involved in supporting the Sept. 11 attacks.

A new book by Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard, "The Connection," puts together the evidence of Saddam's ties to al-Qaida.

"The Baathists killing U.S. soldiers are clearly working with al-Qaida now," the Journal says. "Saddam's files might show us how they linked up in the first place."

As Geostrategy-Direct reported, new evidence about a meeting in Prague between Sept. 11 plot leader Mohamed Atta and Iraqi intelligence officer Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani has been uncovered. If confirmed, the meeting would indicate a role by Saddam's intelligence service in some level of support for the 9-11 plot.

The information supports other journalists who have uncovered a connection between Iraq and al-Qaida, including Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing."

In her book, Davis suggests the Sept. 11 attacks possibly could have been prevented if evidence of an Iraqi and al-Qaida link to the OKC bombing had been pursued.

Davis writes that in November 1997, Hussain Hashem Al-Hussaini – a former Iraqi Republican Guardsman whom multiple eyewitnesses identified as McVeigh's elusive accomplice, John Doe 2 – confided to his psychiatrist that he was anxious about his airport job because "if something were to happen there, I (Al-Hussaini) would be a suspect." At the time, Al-Hussaini was employed at Boston Logan International Airport, where two of the four 9-11 suicide hijackings originated.

She also reveals court records that suggest one of bombers Timothy McVeigh's and Terry Nichols's accused Middle Eastern handlers had foreknowledge of the 9-11 plot. In addition, Davis discusses information she first uncovered eight years ago – that Nichols learned the macabre genius of terrorist bomb making under the training of Philippines-based al-Qaida explosives expert Ramzi Yousef, the convicted mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

In February, columnist and author Jonathan Schanzer wrote in the Weekly Standard of his meeting in a Kurdish prison with Abdul Rahman al-Shamari, who claims he worked for a man who was Saddam's envoy to al-Qaida.

In the interview, al-Shamari confirmed he was involved in assisting Ansar al Islam, an al-Qaida affiliate responsible for attacks against Kurdish and Western targets in northern Iraq. Weapons, "mostly mortar rounds," were supplied to the terrorists, the prisoner told Schanzer.

Besides weapons, al-Shamari says, Saddam's secret police, the Mukhabarat, helped the terror group financially "every month or two months."

In December, Geostrategy-Direct reported Iraqi officers interrogated by the United States and coalition officials said Saddam, through Saudi contacts, had invited al-Qaida insurgents to form suicide and other units to stop the U.S. military in March.

Saddam's contacts with al-Qaida, the officers told interrogators, preceded the Sept. 11 attacks. They said Saudi envoys arranged for al-Qaida insurgents to enter Iraq and begin training in camps around Baghdad.

The al-Qaida insurgents were trained at two camps – Nahrawan and Salman Pak – under the supervision of the Fedayeen Saddam.

Officers said the Salman Pak training included ways to hijack airplanes. Training was conducted under the supervision of an unidentified Iraqi general who is currently a police commander. They said many of the al-Qaida insurgents left Iraq after their training stint. The London Telegraph reported in December the discovery of a secret memo to Saddam that gives details of a visit by Atta to Baghdad just weeks before the 9-11 attacks. Information obtained by Iraq's coalition goverment indicated Atta was trained in Baghdad by Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal.

"We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's involvement with al-Qaida," said Dr Ayad Allawi, a member of Iraq's ruling seven-man presidential committee, according to the London paper.

"But this is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far," he said. "It shows that not only did Saddam have contacts with al-Qaida, he had contact with those responsible for the September 11 attacks."

In November, the Weekly Standard reported a 16-page top secret government memo to the Senate Intelligence Committee said bin Laden and Saddam had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, as well as financial and logistical support, and may have included the bombing of the USS Cole and the Sept. 11 attacks.

73 posted on 06/20/2004 11:51:16 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Howlin; Grampa Dave
Lehman said the information, contained in "captured documents," was obtained after the commission report was written that stated there was no evidence of a "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda. "Some of these documents indicate that (there was) at least one officer of Saddam's Fedayeen, a lieutenant colonel, who was a very prominent member of al Qaeda," Lehman said.

Some docs weren't obtained until recently, but others, as we know from the Wilson affair, have ben held back or stalled. I wonder how many stalled docs there are out there being sat upon by some bureacratic hack?

76 posted on 07/12/2004 1:25:53 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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