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To: M. Peach

This is just toooo convenient.... the Saudi police are in league with these devils.


17 posted on 06/18/2004 2:48:18 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: CatoRenasci

Yes, this is rather heroic (and timely) for SA.


33 posted on 06/18/2004 2:49:43 PM PDT by txhurl (~)
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To: CatoRenasci

Dead men tell no tales, and the Saudis are still our friends.


39 posted on 06/18/2004 2:50:38 PM PDT by proust (God bless Ronald Reagan)
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To: CatoRenasci
"This is just toooo convenient.... the Saudi police are in league with these devils."

By Daniel Pipes
FrontPageMagazine.com | June 8, 2004

After an Islamist rampage in the Saudi town of Khobar on May 29-30 that ended in the death of twenty-two persons, survivors of that atrocity have recounted how the terrorists went to great lengths to ensure that they would kill only non-Muslims. Their actions raise a delicate but urgent issue: how might non-Muslims best protect themselves if caught in such a situation?

Even as the massacre was underway, the terrorists took pains to distinguish Muslims from non-Muslims. Here are some of the survivors’ testimonies:

Hazem Al-Damen, Muslim, Jordanian: two terrorists knocked on his door and asked him and others hiding whether they were “Muslims or Christians.” On hearing “Muslims,” the assailants told them to stay in the room because their purpose was to rid the country of Americans and Europeans.

Abu Hashem, 45, Muslim, an Iraqi-American engineer (also called “Mike” in some accounts): The terrorists demanded his residency card, which documented his religion (Muslim) and nationality (American). That combination provoked an argument between two terrorists. “He’s an American, we should shoot him,” said one. “We don’t shoot Muslims,” replied the other. The two went back and forth until the latter decided it: “Don’t be afraid. We won’t kill Muslims, even if you are an American.” With this decision, the terrorists turned polite, even apologizing for breaking into Abu Hashem’s home, searching it, and leaving blood stains on his carpet.

Abdul Salam al-Hakawati, 38, Muslim, a Lebanese corporate financial officer: He and his family hid upstairs in their house after hearing gunfire. Downstairs, they heard the terrorists break in and rummage around before one apparently noticed framed Koranic verses on the wall and announced to the others, “This is a Muslim house.” When a heavily armed terrorist came upstairs, Al-Hakawati confirmed his identity by greeting the assailant with “Assalamu ‘Alaykum,” the Muslim greeting.

Nizar Hajazeen, Christian, a Jordanian software businessmen: He hid with another Jordanian in a room but they opened the door when two armed young men banged violently on it. The terrorists asked the identity of the Jordanians, Arab or Westerners. “We’re Arab,” came the response. Each was then asked, “A Christian or a Muslim?” Both claimed to be Muslims and showed a Koran as proof.

Taking care to kill only non-Muslims appears to be in response to widespread Saudi criticism of Islamist terrorism directed against Muslims; Saudis seem to agree that murder is a tool suitably directed only against non-Muslims, as two quotes suggest:

Abdelaziz Raikhan, a maintenance man for the Saudi security forces, responded to the suicide bombing of a police headquarters in Riyadh that killed 5 people and wounded 148 on April 21, accusing the perpetrators of being “mentally ill. … There’s not one American in this entire area. Not one! What kind of jihad is this?”

Mohsen al-Awaji, a Saudi lawyer, suggests that terrorists should be encouraged by the authorities to go to the many “occupied territories that require resistance,” such as in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, and Chechnya. “If someone decides to go, we wish him luck. He’s going to die anyway, so let him die there while achieving something, not die here and kill innocents with him.”

Nor is this the first time Islamists have specifically targeted infidels. In Malaysia in 2000, for example, jihadists purposefully killed two non-Muslim hostages and spared two others, both Muslims. In Pakistan in 2002, a police chief noted killers “took a good fifteen minutes in segregating the Christians and making sure that each one of their targets gets the most horrific death.” The murderers separated Christians from Muslims by requiring each hostage to recite a verse from the Koran. Those who could not were shot.

In all these cases, non-Muslims facing jihadists could have saved themselves by passing as Muslims.

There are several ways they could have done this. They might have greeted their potential murderers with Assalamu ‘alaykum (which, ironically, means “peace be with you”). They might have recited in Arabic the Shahada, the Islamic statement of faith. Or they might have recited in Arabic the first sura (chapter) of the Koran, the essential prayer of Islam called the Fatiha (“Opening”).

In the past, such knowledge would have saved lives. It could probably do so again in the future.

40 posted on 06/18/2004 2:50:40 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: CatoRenasci

This is just toooo convenient.... the Saudi police are in league with these devils.



Yep. Sounds like the whole thing was a ruse by the Saudis: "see we're on YOUR side america, after all, we caught the killers"

They caught them too quickly. I am not satisfied that the kidnapping and beheading was not at the request of the house of Saud. Perhaps an investigation is in order.


69 posted on 06/18/2004 2:54:49 PM PDT by Iron Matron (Those who serve two masters also have two faces)
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To: CatoRenasci

My question is how did they know it was Paul Johnson's killer, was there photos of him...last time they wore hoods. Secondly, If they knew where he was why did they not arrest this man previously? I need more proof!


117 posted on 06/18/2004 3:07:34 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: CatoRenasci

It is possible -- possible -- that the Saudi's didn't want to go in while there was a hostage for fear that they would kill him. Once the hostage is dead, there's no fear of collateral damage. The Saudis hate this, non-Arabs run the country and they will be leaving or demanding more money to stay.


223 posted on 06/18/2004 3:40:19 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: CatoRenasci

The Saudi Police is an oxymoron. I don't trust anything from those SOB's.


251 posted on 06/18/2004 4:02:40 PM PDT by Iberian
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To: CatoRenasci
This is just toooo convenient.... the Saudi police are in league with these devils.

Yeah, it is suspicious. They couldn't find these people all week, yet within four hours of Mr. Johnson's death being announced they find them. Something is just not right here.

361 posted on 06/18/2004 10:17:06 PM PDT by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo)
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