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Wall street Journal ^ | June 17, 2004 | REVIEW & OUTLOOK

Posted on 06/17/2004 7:45:09 PM PDT by asmith92008

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To: asmith92008

Previously posted.

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21 posted on 06/17/2004 11:29:46 PM PDT by k2blader (My parents are borderline Bushbots, but I love 'em anyway. :-)
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To: bayourod
First, if you think that Mexican citizens in America are a bastion of pro-American belifs, you haven';t been to San Diego where it is as common to see the Mexican flag flying as the American flag.

My point on wages is that the jobs that illegals take used to be the type of labor that poor and lower middle class kids took to gain entry in the workforce or put themselves through school. Now because those jobs have had their wages depressed so low, the government comes in handing out student loans. Do you really think it is better for society to get used to government handouts than honest labor?
22 posted on 06/18/2004 8:17:09 AM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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To: asmith92008
Those jobs are still available, but If you were an employer who would you prefer to hire, a person who is grateful and proud to have the manual labor job in order to feed his children, or some kid who thinks he's too good for the job, but has to appease his parents by taking a part-time Summer job to earn party money?

If you've ever been an employer you would appreciate the frustrations of finding and keeping good employees. To think that an employer would pay a good employee less than another employee simply because of his immigration compliance status is unusual.

23 posted on 06/18/2004 8:30:57 AM PDT by bayourod (Can the 9/11 Commission connect the dots on Iraq or do they require a 3-D picture?)
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To: bayourod
Yes, I'm sure that being able to pay minimum or sub-minimum wage has little effect on an employer's decision to hire illegals. That employers get to pay that negative premium on illegal labor is not unusual. It is quite logical. The worker has no right to be here and will work for whatever he can get. It's the same principal as buying stolen property. Any money the thief gets is a profit because he didn't pay for the property in the first place.
24 posted on 06/18/2004 8:35:43 AM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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"Yes, I'm sure that being able to pay minimum or sub-minimum wage has little effect on an employer's decision to hire illegals. "

Having been an employer in several different type businesses and having many friends who are employers, I can assure you that there are more important factors than pay level.

Yes, in large companies it's common to replace employees with seniority with lower salaried younger ones. But that's usually white collar administrative jobs.

Rarely do you see a good skilled electrician, plumber, carpenter, mason, etc.. replaced by an inexperienced one. It's simply too hard to find good skilled employees.

An English speaking citizen is preferred to a non-english speaking illegal alien. But that's usually not the choice. Usually the choice is between someone who knows their job, is willing to work hard, and can be depended upon to show up for work every day verses no employee at all, or one with an attitude, or one that can't be depended upon to show up, or one that doesn't take pride in his work, etc...

When a contractor has deadlines to meet, he can't afford to hire less than the best employees and he is willing to pay what it takes to get them. If they happen to be immigrants, that's just the nature of the labor market.

25 posted on 06/18/2004 9:00:17 AM PDT by bayourod (Can the 9/11 Commission connect the dots on Iraq or do they require a 3-D picture?)
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To: asmith92008

I am not an "environmentalist" yet I reject high levels of unassimilated immigrants. We can barely hold onto a natinoal identity as it is (which is important when push comes to shove). We do not need mass immigration especially immigrants who have El presidente Fox come into America to tell them how it is going to be here in America. The issue of cheap labor has been brought up and it is simple supply and demand of course the more workers there are the lower the the pay rates. I am an American first type not an environmentalist.


26 posted on 06/18/2004 9:28:01 AM PDT by PersonalLiberties (...)
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To: FrankWild
"An increase to 1 billion would absolutely wharp the culture and make it unrecognizable"

How so? And specifically how would this hurt you?

Culture changes in America without regard to population. Gay weddings, sexual permissiveness, low carb eating trends, cell phones, SUVs, gambling, shaved heads, greater % of people staying single, children reading 500 page books (Harry Potter) rap music, internet, sail boarding, etc...

How is a tripling of population going to change the culture to hurt you? Specifically?

30 posted on 06/25/2004 9:43:08 AM PDT by bayourod (Can the 9/11 Commission connect the dots on Iraq or do they require a 3-D picture?)
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To: FrankWild
"I have little respect for other cultures, especially the Latino culture. "

Well, isn't that nice.

32 posted on 06/25/2004 3:02:04 PM PDT by bayourod (Can the 9/11 Commission connect the dots on Iraq or do they require a 3-D picture?)
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To: FrankWild
I want my culture to dominate the country in which I live. I have little respect for other cultures, especially the Latino culture.

What is your culture, Frank?
Is it, by any chance, American.
Don't be surprised to find that you have, and use, snippets of many different cultures in yours.

You heard it here first.

33 posted on 06/25/2004 3:06:44 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: bayourod
...a person who is grateful and proud to have the manual labor job in order to feed his children...

The problem is that there are many illegals who are grateful for me to pay for feeding, clothing, housing, educating and doctoring their children.

Eliminate ALL forms of welfare for illegals, and I'll buy your scenario. As long as they're on the dole, though, they're parasites we don't need.

34 posted on 06/25/2004 3:15:02 PM PDT by jimt
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"many illegals who are grateful for me to pay for feeding, "

Tell that to the farmer/agribusiness complex that promotes the food stamp program.

35 posted on 06/25/2004 3:23:32 PM PDT by bayourod (Can the 9/11 Commission connect the dots on Iraq or do they require a 3-D picture?)
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Bayourod writes,

"Sometimes it's difficult to tell which ones are simply racists [...]"

It's not difficult at all, Bayourod: the racists are the race-replacers. You, for example, are a racist -- big time.


36 posted on 06/30/2004 5:55:47 AM PDT by Unadorned
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"During an immigration subcommittee hearing in March, Mr. Cannon had the gumption to question the executive director of CIS, Mark Krikorian, as well as to challenge Roy Beck, who heads NumbersUSA and serves as 'spokesman' for CFAW."

Mr. Cannon? HIM? Oh yeah, good old Cannonball Addlehead, the guy who is long-since bought and paid for by Wall Street, MECHA, La Raza, and the Vicente Fox administration (probably with a few tips thrown in by the neocons...).

"After first denying it, Mr. Krikorian was forced to admit that CIS is a spin-off of FAIR."

A spin-off of FAIR? Ohhhhh -- you mean the same way some supporters of forced race-replacement like The Southern Carpetbagger Poverty-Pimp Lawless Way-Left-of-Center get-rich-quick scheme of Morris Dees are spin-offs of "The Communist Manifesto" and "Das Kapital," and other advocates of forced race-replacement, like The Off-the-Wall Street-Walker Urinal and the entire Bush administration are spin-offs of the worst sort of mafioso-type Bush-family Tex-Mex mutually-bribing, scratch-my-back-I'll scratch-yours Crony-Capitalism? Ohhhhh, now I get it -- in that case, yeah, I guess you could say CIS is a spin-off of FAIR...but what's the point?

"In fact, CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, Project-USA -- and more than a half-dozen similar groups that Republicans have become disturbingly comfy with -- [...]"

Disturbingly comfy with? COME AGAIN??? We should be so lucky... The GOP has things exactly on track for bringing about a non-white majority in this country in thirty more years, with the last remnants of the white race here to be finally extinguished not too much longer after that -- ten years, maybe? fifteen? fifteen, tops. So, who are the GOP getting disturbingly comfy with? Bush is so comfy with the immigration-reformers he's going to lose his shirt in November as those immigration reformers all vote for Nader, Peroutka, or someone else out of desperation, someone with a triple-digit IQ who actually does things like read newspapers... Yeah, Bush is really comfy with the immigration reformers... moron is gonna take a nosedive in Novermber and drag the whole Republican majority in Congress down with him. But hey, maybe this Alfred E. Newman clone will still have a future after November -- with MAD Magazine (also known as The Wall Street Journal...)


37 posted on 06/30/2004 6:33:41 AM PDT by Unadorned
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