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ALERT:Hearing scheduled for Sierra Nevada Conservancy bills 6/29/04
Alliance For America ^ | June 16, 2004 | ROSE COMSTOCK,

Posted on 06/17/2004 10:47:03 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer

DATE: JUNE 16, 2004

TO: ALL GRASSROOTS AND CONCERNED CITIZENS

FROM: ROSE COMSTOCK, ALLIANCE FOR AMERICA www.allianceforamerica.org

PLEASE SHARE WITH YOUR LIST AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO RESPOND. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!

WHAT: WILD LANDS PROJECT AT WORK - JUNE 29, 2004 - HEARINGS ARE SCHEDULED FOR TWO BILLS - AB1788 & AB2600 -EACH AUTHORIZE ESTABLISHING A SIERRA NEVADA CONSERVANCY IN CALIFORNIA TO ACQUIRE, AND DIRECT THE MANAGEMENT, OF PUBLIC LANDS LOCATED PRIMARILY WITHIN THE CORE SIERRA NEVADA REGION.

STATUS: BOTH BILLS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CALIFORNIA STATE SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES AND WILDLIFE. THIS COMMITTEE IS CHAIRED BY ONE OF THE MOST LIBERAL OF CA. ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES!


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1788; ab2600; conservancy; environment; landgrab; propertyrights; sierraconservancy; sierranevada; socialism; socialistagenda; unconstitutional
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DON'T WAIT! OPPOSE LEGISLATION

LETTERS, EMAILS & FAXES ARE NEEDED TO CALIFORNIA STATE SENATORS, SENATE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGER AND CALIFORNIA RESOURCES AGENCY.

Find your State Senator - www.sen.ca.gov

CA. SENATE COMM. ON NATURAL RESOURCES AND WILDLIFE http://www.senate.ca.gov/ftp/sen/committee/STANDING/NRW/_home1/PROFILE.HTM

Mike Chrisman Secretary of Resources 1416 9th Street, St. 1311 Sacramento, CA. 95812-2815 Ph/916-653-5656 FX/916-653-8102 www.resources.ca.gov

Assistant to the Secretary for Resources Cynthia J. Paulsen Cyndy.Paulsen@Resources.Ca..Gov

Arnold Schwarzenegger State Capitol Building Sacramento, CA 95814 Phone: 916-445-2841 Fax: 916-445-4633 www.governor.ca.gov/state/govsite/gov_homepage.jsp governor@governor.ca.gov

BACKGROUND:

AB1788 Leslie This bill creates the Sierra Nevada Conservancy (SNC) in the Resources Agency, with a governing board consisting of 20 voting members and three non-voting members, to acquire, and direct the management, of public lands located primarily within the "Core Sierra Nevada Region."

AB2600 Laird This bill creates the Sierra Nevada Conservancy (SNC) in the Resources Agency, with a governing board consisting of seven voting members and three non-voting members to undertake activities that encourage tourism and recreation, protect, conserve, and restore the region's resources, reduce the risk of natural disaster, protect water quality, help local economies, identify high priority projects for funding, enhance public use and enjoyment of public lands, and advance environmental preservation and economic well-being.

Bill Status and Background Information:

AB 1788 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_1788&sess=CUR&house=B&search_type=email

HISTORY http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1751-1800/ab_1788_bill_20040609_history.html

STATUS http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1751-1800/ab_1788_bill_20040615_status.html

AB 2600 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_2600&sess=CUR&house=B&search_type=email

HISTORY http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_2551-2600/ab_2600_bill_20040609_history.html

STATUS http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_2551-2600/ab_2600_bill_20040615_status.html

1 posted on 06/17/2004 10:47:04 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: farmfriend

PING your pinglist, please


2 posted on 06/17/2004 10:47:30 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Hey neighbor, how about helping out with some activism?


3 posted on 06/17/2004 6:55:47 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: hedgetrimmer; adversarial; Alylonee; AmericanHombre; BibChr; blaze; BornOnTheFourth; budwiesest; ...
Sac Area list and the rights, farms, environment list.

All three bills are up that day. This is truly an emergency.

4 posted on 06/17/2004 7:55:37 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend; sfwarrior; Mediaqueen; Jim Robinson
Ok. June 29! When and in which hearing room? It's time to FReep and get out the people that care enough to show up!!! Even speak up!!! How do we get on the list of speakers, or do we just shout stuff out from the back of the packed room. Can we take in little cardboard signs of 8.5 X 11 inches? Red ones that say "Stop the Madness" and green ones that say "Stop the Bullshit!"

Let's see... That's a Tuesday so how many can we get there without talkshow host help. We better get Mark Williams, Tom Sullivan and the KSFO morning show with Melanie Morgan involved quickly. We don't have the votes or the influence to stop this without some kind of media help!!! Petitions with signatures would be helpful...

5 posted on 06/17/2004 8:28:44 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan taught us to be Classy, Considerate Conservatives, not conservatives without class!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
NATURAL RESOURCES AND WILDLIFE

KUEHL, Chair
9:30 a.m. - Room 113
(Please note room change)
PENDING RULE WAIVER

A.B. No. 1788 Leslie. Sierra Nevada Conservancy.
A.B. No. 2064 Goldberg. Parks and recreation: urban areas.
A.B. No. 2186 Leslie. Natural resources: California Tahoe Conservancy.
A.B. No. 2280 Cogdill. Sport fishing: license revenues: Hatcheries and Fish Planting Facilities.
A.B. No. 2378 Harman. Riparian Protection Management Program: fencing projects.
A.B. No. 2600 Laird. Sierra Nevada Conservancy.
A.B. No. 2631 Wolk. Natural resources: invasive species.
A.B. No. 2665 Leslie. Harbors and ports: funding.
A.B. No. 2673 Simitian. Natural resources: grant of federal lands.
A.B. No. 2875 Benoit. Fish and game: rabbits.
A.B. No. *2994 Frommer. Public contracts: preferences: forest products.
A.B. No. 3039 Committee on Environmental Safety and Toxic Materi- als. Ocean use planning: California Coastal Act.
* Pending Receipt

6 posted on 06/17/2004 8:40:00 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: SierraWasp

Mark Williams is all caught up in the War stuff. Tom might. I had been meaning to bring this to his attention. It will kill CA's economy. He might be the best bet.


7 posted on 06/17/2004 8:43:21 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend
I will certainly let Sen. Machado (5th senate district) know what I think about this. I have no knowledge at the moment about these particular issues but I will learn before I send anything to the Governor and Sen. Machado thanks to the links posted above.

I have no plans to attend the hearings however.

It will be easy to oppose more enviro stuff after the spotted owl, the sucker fish, eco-terrorists (#1 terrorist threat says the FBI), MTBE, the original smog check 2, tens of thousands of enviro-(mis)managed forest land acres lost to fires, Kyoto's redistribution of wealth from developed nations to developing nations (the "free" traders are doing that task now), "rural cleansing," and hundreds more reasons.

8 posted on 06/17/2004 9:32:48 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Thanks! I keep a rights, farm, environment ping list as well as a Sac Area list. Let me know if you want to be on them. Keep in touch.


9 posted on 06/17/2004 9:37:05 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Previous FR threads.

CA freepers, RED ALERT RED ALERT!!!

CA freepers, RED ALERT Thread 2

A Sierra umbrella? - Conservancy proposed to protect mountain range

An Analysis of Arnold Schwarzenegger's Environmental Policy

10 posted on 06/17/2004 9:49:19 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

Mark needs to shift to something that effects a huge portion of his listening audience much more directly than the WOT!!! He usually loves to get after Schwarzenegger at every opportunity... well, here's a biggie!!!


11 posted on 06/17/2004 9:53:05 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan taught us to be Classy, Considerate Conservatives, not conservatives without class!!!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; farmfriend

Sure seems to me... If there ever was a cause for CA FReepers to oppose... This is it!!!


12 posted on 06/17/2004 9:57:12 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan taught us to be Classy, Considerate Conservatives, not conservatives without class!!!)
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To: farmfriend
Add me to your rights and environment lists. Thanks.

If you know the details well enough already pass some information to Dr. Bill Wattenburg through http://www.pushback.com/ or through the deficient call letter station in San Francisco. Maybe he will at least comment on it on his weekend shows. I'm pretty sure he lives in the Sierras now.

13 posted on 06/17/2004 10:27:12 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: farmfriend

Thanks for the links. There has been alot of info on these bills I see.


14 posted on 06/17/2004 10:32:11 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Thanks. We need all the help we can get.


15 posted on 06/17/2004 10:32:59 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
There has been alot of info on these bills I see.

Yes, we've been tracking them since early April at least. Most here don't seem to remember that the Sierra Conservancy was one of Arnold's campaign promises.

16 posted on 06/17/2004 10:36:10 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: All
RE: post #6, list of bills

On another thread in a reply, Analysis from the legislature itself on AB 2631, says this is about non-native, undocumented pests.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1141897/posts

The Analysis agrees that "the underlying idea of better coordinating state (and federal) efforts" is a good idea. Of course there are important reasons to oppose it nevertheless.

IMO even if it was not another one of those enviro-wacko attempts to take advantage of a problem and impose further restrictions on private property ("rural cleansing") there's good reason to oppose it. The Governor already has a major effort to better coordinate state bureaucratic activities.

Gee I hope they can keep those harmful non-native, undocumented pests away from our highways. They're bad enough now, worst in the country.

17 posted on 06/17/2004 11:11:29 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: farmfriend
You say the Sierra Conservancy was one of Arnold's campaign promises?! Thanks for the reminder.

Well, I can forget suggesting you contact AM 1380's morning host. He appears pretty much in Arnold's pocket.

18 posted on 06/17/2004 11:16:23 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!!


19 posted on 06/18/2004 3:07:47 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: farmfriend

BTTT for America!


20 posted on 06/18/2004 7:51:06 AM PDT by Issaquahking (U.N., greenies, etc. battling against the U.S. and Constitution one freedom at a time. Fight Back !)
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To: hedgetrimmer
mmmmmmmm.........


21 posted on 06/18/2004 7:54:22 AM PDT by petercooper (Now, who's this Joe Mayo everyone's talking about?)
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To: B4Ranch; Libertina; Archie Bunker on steroids

Ping on leftwing attack!


22 posted on 06/18/2004 8:47:30 AM PDT by Issaquahking (U.N., greenies, etc. battling against the U.S. and Constitution one freedom at a time. Fight Back !)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Well, I can forget suggesting you contact AM 1380's morning host. He appears pretty much in Arnold's pocket.

Those are the people we need, those who supported Arnold. They are the ones who should be carrying this water. So far the silence on FR has been deafening. You see the huge response we are getting. I'm sure there is a larger response on the San Jose freep Kerry thread. It is totally disheartening.

23 posted on 06/18/2004 9:34:43 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; forester; calcowgirl; hedgetrimmer

I got a reply from the Bee, they are going to publish my letter on AB2631 on the 21st. I'm sure it was delayed because of the Presidents passing.


24 posted on 06/18/2004 9:39:24 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

bttt!!!


25 posted on 06/18/2004 11:35:08 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: farmfriend

Bump


26 posted on 06/18/2004 7:06:30 PM PDT by AuntB ("Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is our problem!" Ronald Reagan)
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To: SierraWasp; calcowgirl; hedgetrimmer; Carry_Okie
Mark needs to shift to something that effects a huge portion of his listening audience much more directly than the WOT!!! He usually loves to get after Schwarzenegger at every opportunity... well, here's a biggie!!!

Well I got on the air with Mark Williams tonight. He hung up on me, not interested. I guess mentioning that Republicans were pushing this was the wrong thing to say. Reminds me of a web forum I know.

Incidentally he was filling in for a gal down south as well so it went all over the state. Too bad he cut me off. I'd love to see freepers jump his case about it.

27 posted on 06/18/2004 8:15:23 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

Talk show hosts in Sacramento will not say a word about the governor that isn't approved. If they do, he won't let them interview him or allow them press passes to any of his functions. So they kowtow.


28 posted on 06/18/2004 10:20:07 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

No doubt. I'll still try Tom's show but I won't hold my breath.


29 posted on 06/18/2004 10:27:34 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

I think Julie is going to go speak to the committee. I would go but I would have to take off work. I need to put together some information for her to bring her up to speed. I sure could use your county info you put together.


30 posted on 06/18/2004 10:29:07 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

The opposition letters?


31 posted on 06/18/2004 10:47:14 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

I was thinking of the information you had on how this would effect counties but I'll take what ever you can give me.


32 posted on 06/18/2004 10:52:17 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: petercooper

I cannot "conserve" any of that myself. A nice, fruity ale. One of my favorites..


33 posted on 06/19/2004 7:38:33 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: farmfriend

morning bump


34 posted on 06/19/2004 8:50:22 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend; Carry_Okie; calcowgirl; marsh2; forester; tubebender; hedgetrimmer
Thank you for your efforts with Mark. Sullivan will be even tougher because he's NEVER been willing to tolerate ANY criticism of Schwarzenegger like so many around here.

What's so danged scary is that even those who don't like Arnold pushing this abomination, think it's not a high enough priority in light of the economic/fiscal crisis. That's exactly why I keep pounding on just how absolutely wrong that is!

Not only will it impact the economy of the Sierran Region, it will dry up our property tax revenues due to property being shifted to the government which doesn't pay ANY damn taxes, it just sucks 'em!!!

People like Tom and a whole lot of Repellicans just are scared spitless to rock this boat for fear of hurting the celebrity veneer and momentum right at this time.

Others who support our concerns are intimidated in speaking out for fear they may not have all their facts perfectly in order and don't have the courage to challenge the monster on primefacia common sense, as they might appear like unto an emotional liberal, or something.

You had the guts to call an arrogant, rude and sometimes crude talk host who rarely gets his fact perfectly in order and rants and raves like a complete maniac at times. You done yer best and I thank you for it!!!

35 posted on 06/19/2004 9:24:21 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan taught us to be Classy, Considerate Conservatives, not conservatives without class!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
People like Tom and a whole lot of Repellicans just are scared spitless to rock this boat for fear of hurting the celebrity veneer

We can't be afraid. We need moral leadership in this state more now than in any other time in our history. The internationalists like the governor, will enforce a socialistic civil governance that will end up in the total loss of private property rights and worse. I don't believe this to be an exageration given the utter control the Sierra Nevada Conservancy board will have over private lives.

If we don't stop the dissolution of private property rights, he will be emboldened to amend the Constitution to run for president. An overt global socialist in the presidency will destroy whatever is left of the culture our founding fathers trusted us to protect.
36 posted on 06/19/2004 10:02:37 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer; SierraWasp
I'm going to post a fresh thread with all the links. It will take me a minute.

You'll notice all the support we are getting from the southern half of the state. Maybe when their water gets cut off for the fish we will get their attention. Course then it will be too late. Where are all those activist that are supposed to exist on this site?

37 posted on 06/19/2004 10:06:11 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: SierraWasp
Others who support our concerns are intimidated in speaking out for fear they may not have all their facts perfectly in order and don't have the courage to challenge the monster on primefacia common sense, as they might appear like unto an emotional liberal, or something.

So, tell me what you really think.

38 posted on 06/19/2004 10:10:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating government regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: farmfriend; SierraWasp

>>>You'll notice all the support we are getting from the southern half of the state.

I'm one of those southerners... and I've been tryin'!
Unfortunately, I think my neighbors are busy polishing the celebrity veneer. :-(


39 posted on 06/19/2004 11:22:23 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
I'm one of those southerners... and I've been tryin'!

This is true, you seem to be the exception to the rule. And we are most greatful for all you have done.

40 posted on 06/20/2004 8:40:23 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Well... It's what I've heard over the past decade and while in office, it was necessary in some cases to caution some who were irrationally exuberant for a good cause to hold back on writing/calling because they had ruined their credibility, repeatedly and unintentionally hurting the cause by not getting their "facts" and "details" straight.

And so it goes... what do I know, that I should be so adamant, anyway, right? (I use too many commas in the first place!) I'm justa ignorant agitator, anaways!!!

41 posted on 06/20/2004 9:57:11 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan taught us to be Classy, Considerate Conservatives, not conservatives without class!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
And so it goes... what do I know, that I should be so adamant, anyway, right? (I use too many commas in the first place!) I'm justa ignorant agitator, anaways!!!

Not hardly. It's just that I don't have the audience to make a splash on this yet while at the same time I could easily preclude doing anything about it if and when I did by stupidly shooting off at my keyboard.

42 posted on 06/20/2004 10:16:39 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating government regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: SierraWasp
Not only will it impact the economy of the Sierran Region, it will dry up our property tax revenues due to property being shifted to the government which doesn't pay ANY damn taxes, it just sucks 'em!!!

Funny, a group of us just had that same conversation with our county commissioners in PA. Someone (including the state's DCNR) is trying to establish a 'core biosphere reserve' in north-central PA. We were asking the commissioners to just make a statement about opposing more land purchases by government because of the tax impacts. Unfortunately our county government is in much better shape financially than California is, so there's little sense of the urgent need to stop this stuff in its tracks.

43 posted on 06/20/2004 10:28:05 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: SierraWasp
Not only will it impact the economy of the Sierran Region, it will dry up our property tax revenues due to property being shifted to the government which doesn't pay ANY damn taxes, it just sucks 'em!!!

Funny, a group of us just had that same conversation with our county commissioners in PA. Someone (including the state's DCNR) is trying to establish a 'core biosphere reserve' in north-central PA. We were asking the commissioners to just make a statement about opposing more land purchases by government because of the tax impacts. Unfortunately our county government is in much better shape financially than California is, so there's little sense of the urgent need to stop this stuff in its tracks.

44 posted on 06/20/2004 10:28:32 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: hedgetrimmer

bookmark for later reading...


45 posted on 06/20/2004 10:41:31 AM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: Jonez712
If you think things are bad in Santa Cruz wait until these bills pass. We could use help in out fight. I'm going to post a very comprehensive thread as there have been multiple threads already.
46 posted on 06/20/2004 8:10:30 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: Carry_Okie; Phil V.; Grampa Dave; Issaquahking; AuntB; marsh2
Well... In the first place my comments weren't directed exclusively at you and in the second place, things are getting so screwed up in this state that I hardly know what to think anymore, let alone tell anybody what I REALLY THINK!!!

It's just that so much evil happens when good men and women sit around and don't do anything but ponder the imponderable while the activists and enthusiasts show up and run the state into the ground for all of us... That's all. The apathy, on this site, regarding this controversial conservancy abomination is abnormal!!! This will end up being 10,000 times worse than Klamath Falls!!!

This is bizzarre... I can count those FReepers with any degree of concern on my fingers!!! (I don't even have to take off my danged shoes and socks to count any higher!!!)

47 posted on 06/20/2004 11:19:34 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan taught us to be Classy, Considerate Conservatives, not conservatives without class!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Over here.
48 posted on 06/20/2004 11:21:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating government regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

is this the Friday before the july 4th weekend? Cute... no accident there.


49 posted on 06/21/2004 10:17:47 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: All
BTTT....

And to this newer thread (same subject):

RED ALERT: Socialist agenda being pushed through the California Legislature


50 posted on 06/22/2004 10:47:11 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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