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SUBMARINES: The Chinese Submarine Building Program
StrategyPage ^ | 5/24/04 | Sid Trevethan

Posted on 05/24/2004 5:27:29 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: pragmatic_asian

The people I hired were likely not spies, although I cannot know for certain. The characteristics of the security check were such that, a nominal effort on the part of any operatives to falsify their actual status vis a vis active duty in the PLA or intel ops combined with their "legend" (e.g. public career profile) would likely not have been detected by the screen. With the exception of direct DoD contractors under tighter controls, the vast majority of US corporations do not, as a goal, seek to prevent hostile military or intel ops from being hired. They have not even considered the threat, let alone taken action against it. Therefore, at corporations who are themselves often non-DoD controlled suppliers to DoD primes, or, are simple commercial firms, the opportunity for hostile operatives to have been embedded is immense. Benes to the Communist powers are not only industrial epsionage of prescribed, export controlled dual use items, but also, placement of ops who now have access to key financial data systems and IT systems, and who can effect massive economic or cyber attack on command. War by other means - classic Sun Tzu thought.


81 posted on 05/25/2004 7:23:12 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: Jeff Head

Russia and India know something we don't know: That China cannot escape its borders.


82 posted on 05/25/2004 7:28:40 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Jeff Head

Ping. Food for thought. Consider the numbers of H1Bs who are PRC nationals (not to mention ones from other nations I do not trust). Among them must be active duty PLA or intel ops. In many large multinationals in the US, and other Western countries, some of them have write access to key finanacial data and other corporate IT systems. Consider the possibilities. Thank God Japan, Taiwan and a few other allies do not allow such sloppy hiring to go on in their own corporations - those allies may be the only thing up and running (in limp-along mode) if a worst case non conventional cyber / economic attack happens.


83 posted on 05/25/2004 7:29:47 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: AppyPappy

And therefore, they must build a virtual over-land bridge to the south. And to think that, at least in the case of the autobahnen being built into Thailand, a bunch of duped businessmen in Bangkok are helping to pay for them!


84 posted on 05/25/2004 7:31:44 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

China's enemies are always within.


85 posted on 05/25/2004 7:49:14 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: LibWhacker
Let them build whatever tubs they want.

Our submariners will kick their ass. NOBODY outwits or outplays our Silent Service.

Nobody.

86 posted on 05/25/2004 7:53:16 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,Election '04...It's going to be a bumpy ride,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø)
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To: AppyPappy

In the end...Germany, Japan, and several others could not either...that didn't stop them from trying or prevent the bloodbaths it took to contain them.


87 posted on 05/25/2004 8:38:39 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: GOP_1900AD
I am convinced that they are already here in numbers, and not just through our hiring practice either.

Our southern border is sieve, we check only a fraction of the containers coming in...there are many ways into our nation.

I explore this in great detail and the potential downside of having so many sappers already within the perimeter when the baloons go up in the Dragon's Fury Series, along with many, many other considerations (from outsourceing, to immigration, to downsizing, to Chinese control of the Panama Canal, etc.).

88 posted on 05/25/2004 8:42:40 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: murdocj
You are very welcome. I hope the books are interesting and instructive/educational while also being a great military techno-thriller read.

Let me know what you think should you read any of them.

Jeff

89 posted on 05/25/2004 8:45:01 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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I explore this in great detail and the potential downside of having so many sappers already within the perimeter when the baloons go up in the Dragon's Fury Series, along with many, many other considerations (from outsourceing, to immigration, to downsizing, to Chinese control of the Panama Canal, etc.).

This is the one aspect that if we are caught by surprise, then I fear that we would be paralyzed or crippled long enough to the point where we are no longer a factor to them. Then of course if they try to foment a revolution inside this country with the mindless masses looking for anything to save their skin, it could get really ugly.
90 posted on 05/26/2004 8:21:31 AM PDT by DarkWaters
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To: DarkWaters
If you get the chance...you should read the series. We are knocked down hard in the first novel, as it builds towards that crushing, surprise blow...but then through the other volumes, we battle back. The tale is as much about what it will take for us as a people to do that as it is a war story.

Best Fregards.

91 posted on 05/28/2004 3:41:52 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

I have recently bought your first book, though I haven't had time to get to it yet with the other books that I have laying around. I hate it when I buy more books than I have time to read, but I hope to get to it in the next month after I finish reading Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France.


92 posted on 05/28/2004 10:07:50 PM PDT by DarkWaters
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To: LibWhacker

The last World War was even MORE "fun!"


93 posted on 05/26/2005 10:49:09 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: LibWhacker

"Not only have rats handed them our technology on a silver platter, we've been training our enemies for a generation now how to take that technology and run with it, improve upon it, and discover who knows what? Makes me sick."

Not only that but when the final conflict happens, it will be the first time in history that one nation(China)planned and funded it's war build-up off of trade with it's enemy (U.S.).


94 posted on 05/26/2005 10:52:16 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Seven disloyal senators sold the chance to crush the democrats for tv face time.)
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