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US failure in Iraq would be a disaster for Ireland (Puke Like a Bilge Pump Alert)
DavidMcwilliams.ie Blog? ^ | 16/05/2004 | David McWilliams-Engles

Posted on 05/21/2004 11:31:17 AM PDT by Dead Dog

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To: Free_at_last_-2001

I just hope it is the typical 33%, 33%, 33% split there as it is here. Seems people break out on an issue in thirds, with 1/3 undecided. When it shifts away from that, I worry.

We seen to be at 45%, 45% and 10% here in the US.


21 posted on 05/21/2004 2:43:53 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Free_at_last_-2001

I should correct this:

I just hope it is the typical 33%, 33%, 33% split there as it USUALLY is here. Seems people break out on an issue in thirds, with 1/3 undecided. When it shifts away from that there is usually something driving the issue.

We seen to be at 45%, 45% and 10% here in the US.


22 posted on 05/21/2004 2:47:01 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
"...Who is this dork?"

Yeah, who is this dork?

23 posted on 05/21/2004 2:49:52 PM PDT by NoClones
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To: Dead Dog
I just hope it is the typical 33%, 33%, 33% split there as it is here. - So do I - but I think a rumour (and that's all it is I'm sure) that Intel and Microsoft were considering a move to Scotland might shift the balance in the USA's favour! The US Dollar is still very powerful in Ireland.
24 posted on 05/21/2004 2:52:54 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: mousehats

I agree with you, there will never be a war between Europe and the US.
However, I do see a revolution taking place in the EU within the next 10 to 15 years. There will be no American involvement.
Just look and read the proposed constitution as I have. "The "Vichy Government" will cause that revolution to happen along with Muslim Migration which will become the majority within 1 1/2 generations.


25 posted on 05/21/2004 2:52:59 PM PDT by americanbychoice2
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To: mousehats; americanbychoice2
Realistically, I think you both are probably right.

However, the vitriol of the left, and the "Blame Israel", "Blame America" first crowd worry me. The first step of betrayal is convincing ones self that they've been betrayed. And the idea that Europeans will suffer because American's are dumb, greedy, fat, ignorant, violent, emperialistic isn't much different than the Palestinians excuse to murder.
26 posted on 05/21/2004 3:04:59 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: americanbychoice2
I gotta disagree - again I think this is imagining the worst case paranoia. The US fears the muslim influx in europe as (1) you identify them with terrorism and (2) you see how bady behaved they are in france. However, the muslims in france aren't badly behaved because they are muslims, they're badly behaved because they overwhelmingly live in "the projects". Its mostly an economic issue, not a political one. Al-Quaeda do not represent the will of the muslim people.

The only "revolution" coming in europe is the fact that france and germany won't be able to push through much more "progressive" legislation, as all the new members of the EU have poor economies that they want to modernise as quickly as possible. They intend doing this by following the highly successful Irish model which involves low (or in I think it's Slovenias case, actually 0%) corporate taxation to attract inward investment. They aren't going to be swayed from this no matter what people in France and Germany would like. Irelands low rate of corporate taxation has been driving the french nuts for many years now, but the irish dont care in the slightest. (If anything, we get a good laugh out of it). It's the same with the new members.

As it's often put over here our policies are "much closer to boston than berlin".
27 posted on 05/21/2004 3:05:39 PM PDT by mousehats
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To: Dead Dog
two things are certain: the dollar will be weaker and interest rates higher

I'll pick door number two.

28 posted on 05/21/2004 3:07:30 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: mousehats

Just read the proposed constitution, you will change your views.
Everything from Taxes, defense to schooling will be ruled by the appointed, not elected Aristocrats in Brussels. Sovereignty will not exist anymore.
Germany and France are basically becoming oe "Grande Nation" and are out to rule the rest of Europe. They do have the largest polulations and will use it. Make no mistakes about it.
The shift of Investments and manufacturing will (is) shifting to the cheap eastern European countries. The Germans and French won't like it, the eastern Europeans won't like having to pay Brussels back their Investments back through high taxes.
The EU is a sham, it will take a few years to realize that.
Thanks to Blair, he may be able to throw a wrench into it through his referendum.


29 posted on 05/21/2004 3:14:39 PM PDT by americanbychoice2
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To: americanbychoice2
I don't know how you managed to get a hold of the constitution, seeing as how it's still under negotiation. The British (and Irish, among others) are not ready to give up their right to set taxation levels.

There is still a (perceived at any rate) democratic deficit in the EU, which the constitution hopes to do away with. This is a good thing. However, until the peoples of Europe are convinced that there is no longer a democratic deficit (which can't happen until after the constitution has been up and running for some time), then they are not willing to give up the right to set their tax levels.

There won't be a "United States of Europe" for some time yet. It may come eventually, but not all in one go.
30 posted on 05/21/2004 3:18:48 PM PDT by mousehats
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To: mousehats

you can read it on line. I am always amazed about the Europeans. Things like a constitution, which will determine their ultimate destiny, won't be read, yet individual discussions will continue forever.
As to your point about the british and the Irish not going to give up on their individual taxation, just read that monster.
The EU, as a socialist empire should, will continue to increase taxes to pay for their agenda.
I can just see some new, never before dreamed of taxes coming your way.
EU eastern development Taxes.
(When the US leaves NATO) Defense Taxes.
etc., etc.
Read and weep. There will not be changes made anymore. The last hope is the referendum


31 posted on 05/21/2004 3:25:30 PM PDT by americanbychoice2
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To: americanbychoice2
There is a draft constitution available. This has to be ratified by every government before it is accepted. The Irish government have said that they will not give up their right to set taxation levels. When it goes to referendum in the UK, neither will they. The draft is still under negotiation. France and Germany don't always get their way.
32 posted on 05/21/2004 3:30:10 PM PDT by mousehats
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To: mousehats

For your information,it way past that point. The Constitution was approved and only Spain and Poland objected to the chance from the Nice treaty, regarding the votes. That has been ironed out and next month the vote should reconvene and pass. The ONLY obstacle is the british referendum. EU officials have declared that even without the British, the constitution will go forward.
Just type into Google European constitution and read it. It is rather long. You will shake your head in disbelief. :)


33 posted on 05/21/2004 3:38:44 PM PDT by americanbychoice2
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To: americanbychoice2

Here is a quick synopsis of the issues with Taxation in the constitution:

The administrative taxation I presume you are worrying about won't be able to be used for anything more than keeping the machinery of the EU going for quite some time. It is concievable that this can eventually be expanded to a more "federal" type of taxation, however, as I said previously, a "United States of Europe" won't come all at once. Just won't happen.

What is proposed:
On taxes, what is not proposed is more important. It is not proposed to set or harmonise taxes, despite calls for this from some in the Convention. On the economy, the Union would be able to "co-ordinate" the policies of member states but only in a very general way, except for members of the euro currency zone.

What are the issues:
Tax is another red line for those opposed to more power going to the EU. The draft recognises that, though there is a proposal for harmonising "administrative" areas of taxation which remains vague enough to worry some governments. There is also an idea that countries using the euro should be able to take measures without consulting those not in the zone. The "co-ordination" of economic policies means principally the drawing up of guidelines of best practice, though of course within the eurozone, the EU has control of monetary policy.


34 posted on 05/21/2004 3:42:55 PM PDT by mousehats
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To: mousehats

The Irish Times?

Puh...lease!


35 posted on 05/21/2004 10:01:07 PM PDT by Happygal (Le gách dea ghuí)
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To: Dead Dog; Colosis; sauropod

Who is this dork?

Ok, I know very little about this bloke, except I assume this is the same 'David McWilliams' (I didn't know he had a hyphenated appendage on his name) that acts as fop-haired economist for TV3 in Ireland.

I've never taken him seriously, and never really liked his presenting style either. But none of TV3's news/current affairs team have ever impressed me, with the exception of Grainne Seoige, who left recently.

In fact, on one Sunday morning recently I happened to see McWilliams salivate over Hilary Clinton in an interview and thought to myself..'Yeah, enough already'.

He's more ego driven than intellectual. An idiot with airtime. Ireland isn't the only nation guilty of that crime.


36 posted on 05/21/2004 10:07:40 PM PDT by Happygal (Le gách dea ghuí)
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To: Free_at_last_-2001

See my last post.


37 posted on 05/21/2004 10:08:23 PM PDT by Happygal (Le gách dea ghuí)
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To: mousehats

The European 'constitution' is the most vital piece of European legislation that will effect my country.

Unfortunately, the mass population of Ireland, preparing for the polls in June, couldn't give a shivering shite about the EU - and therefore, are not fully cognisant of the responsibility being granted to MEP's they are voting in!

I could cry thinking about it!


38 posted on 05/21/2004 10:17:11 PM PDT by Happygal (Le gách dea ghuí)
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